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Will Assyrians ever have a country of their own?

mrzurnaci

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the Syriac word for daash is ikhreh.

But all non-joking aside, the Syriac word for Da'ash is Mashlmaneh GAyyaseen d-'Iraq o-Suria so MG'AS. It translates to Bandit Muslims of Iraq and Syria
 

Cascade

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assyrian103 said:
What we need is a really large concentrated population. Lets say 3 million in Dohuk governate in Iraq. After we outnumber kurds there, we go for a referendum, and make the international community support us like they did in south sudan and kosovo. Lowkey thats a good idea.
The thing is, we're mostly moving out from there.
 

mrzurnaci

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Neon said:
The thing is, we're mostly moving out from there.
moving back is very possible. A few brave and educated Assyrians have to make the return trip and help improve the conditions so other Assyrians can come back as well. It would also help if the Assyrians who went back used the internet to show about the land and the progress they're making!

Obviously, every Assyrian who moves back I advise get guns. Get pistols and always conceal carry.

In my idea of Assyria, every Assyrian has to have a gun in their household and a gun on their person. Imagine how f***ed Da'esh would've been if EVERY household in the Nineveh Plains was armed.

It's most likely we'll have to make a law about staying armed.
 

alan1

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mrzurnaci said:
moving back is very possible. A few brave and educated Assyrians have to make the return trip and help improve the conditions so other Assyrians can come back as well. It would also help if the Assyrians who went back used the internet to show about the land and the progress they're making!

Obviously, every Assyrian who moves back I advise get guns. Get pistols and always conceal carry.

In my idea of Assyria, every Assyrian has to have a gun in their household and a gun on their person. Imagine how f***ed Da'esh would've been if EVERY household in the Nineveh Plains was armed.

It's most likely we'll have to make a law about staying armed.
I'd rather not imagine that blood bath. You and others here still don't seem to understand so let's make another attempt at it.

First of all, the ISIS that attacked the Nineveh plains and Shengal wasn't the same ISIS that attacked Mosul. When ISIS attacked Mosul they did so with less than 2000 men and only used pick up trucks. Once the Iraqi army fled ISIS recovered well over 2000 armored vehicles. In comparison the Peshmerga had less than 50. That is well documented, so link here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/01/isis-captured-2300-humvee-armoured-vehicles-from-iraqi-forces-in-mosul

By the time ISIS captured Mosul and all the shiny Iraqi inventory the feeling Iraqi army left behind they had a further two months to recruit ex-Baathists and more radical men from from the city.

Now really the clue is in the name, but the up-armoured Humvees captured by ISIS are designed to withstand all bullets (expect some top-grade armour penetrating .50 cals) & RPGs etc. The only thing that would destroy a Humvee is a direct hit from a tank, a direct hit from heat seeking/infra-red guided missile or an air strike.

ISIS was at it's peak before they attacked Shengal and the Plains. ISIS is a highly mobile force as in they don't have a clear offensive or defensive line such as a regular army would have. Because of that ISIS was always able to mount an attack, a rather large attack within days, something that would take a regular army weeks of prep.

The only thing that you can use effectively against a force like ISIS is an air force. Really it's just leveling the playing field. An air force vs VBIEDs.

So no, I don't want to imagine what civilians or villagers armed with "guns" would have been able to do because I can guarantee you, it would have ended in a blood bath.
 

mrzurnaci

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alan1 said:
I'd rather not imagine that blood bath. You and others here still don't seem to understand so let's make another attempt at it.

First of all, the ISIS that attacked the Nineveh plains and Shengal wasn't the same ISIS that attacked Mosul. When ISIS attacked Mosul they did so with less than 2000 men and only used pick up trucks. Once the Iraqi army fled ISIS recovered well over 2000 armored vehicles. In comparison the Peshmerga had less than 50. That is well documented, so link here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/01/isis-captured-2300-humvee-armoured-vehicles-from-iraqi-forces-in-mosul

By the time ISIS captured Mosul and all the shiny Iraqi inventory the feeling Iraqi army left behind they had a further two months to recruit ex-Baathists and more radical men from from the city.

Now really the clue is in the name, but the up-armoured Humvees captured by ISIS are designed to withstand all bullets (expect some top-grade armour penetrating .50 cals) & RPGs etc. The only thing that would destroy a Humvee is a direct hit from a tank, a direct hit from heat seeking/infra-red guided missile or an air strike.

ISIS was at it's peak before they attacked Shengal and the Plains. ISIS is a highly mobile force as in they don't have a clear offensive or defensive line such as a regular army would have. Because of that ISIS was always able to mount an attack, a rather large attack within days, something that would take a regular army weeks of prep.

The only thing that you can use effectively against a force like ISIS is an air force. Really it's just leveling the playing field. An air force vs VBIEDs.

So no, I don't want to imagine what civilians or villagers armed with "guns" would have been able to do because I can guarantee you, it would have ended in a blood bath.
So you're saying that Assyrians and Yezids wouldn't have employed anti-vehicle measures? Many towns in the Nineveh Plains have tight streets that would be utter hell for vehicles to pass into.

Vehicular warfare is nothing without foot soldiers to keep and hold the ground. The vehicles are only for stronger support. Once you block or disable the vehicles, it's pretty much a generic urban warfare battle between soldiers...
 

Kelba

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I feel the Middle-East is wasting away (especially due to climate change) and it's probably better for Assyrians to just emigrate to the west, get educations, and live better lives. Unpopular opinion probably, but the Middle-East honestly is a dump now
 

mrzurnaci

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Kelba said:
I feel the Middle-East is wasting away (especially due to climate change) and it's probably better for Assyrians to just emigrate to the west, get educations, and live better lives. Unpopular opinion probably, but the Middle-East honestly is a dump now
and because it's a dump, we can turn it into a paradise.
 

mrzurnaci

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Assyrian Nationalist said:
Alan is an idiot, he is like the Peshmerga that took weapons off of Assyrians before ISIS came.

He's just being a typical Kurd.
that's his problem, not ours.
 

alan1

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mrzurnaci said:
So you're saying that Assyrians and Yezids wouldn't have employed anti-vehicle measures? Many towns in the Nineveh Plains have tight streets that would be utter hell for vehicles to pass into.

Vehicular warfare is nothing without foot soldiers to keep and hold the ground. The vehicles are only for stronger support. Once you block or disable the vehicles, it's pretty much a generic urban warfare battle between soldiers...
No, you said imagine what would have happened in they had Guns and that people should have guns, I simply explained to you that a gun isn't going to get you far.

I'm not sure what an anti-vehicle measure is but clearly you don't have much military knowledge. Neither Assyrians not Ezidis can get hold of anti-tank missiles.

This is what you are unable to understand, there was no way for the Peshmerga to take out the vehicles before the coalition started arming them with anti-tank missiles, off course by then it was too late. Regardless, the point is, if any minoirity attempted the stop Isis with "guns" they would have been massacred.
 

nejepnerast

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The prospect of Assyrian having their own country is extremely slim for the following reasons .

1-For every Assyrian that is born there 10 that leaves the region which by second and third generation are completely integrated in the western society .The problem is ,they make it easy for  Assyrian  to leave and get accepted in western countries .

2-For most parts Assyrian areas are over run by kurds , arabs and torkman and they are minority even in their own region .

3-Establishing a non muslim country between the Islamic republic of iran and turkey and iraq and syria is a no go for obvious reasons .

Assyrians are wanted back home and i believe an autonomous region can be created for them in the long run , but the problem is that there are no incentives at all in going back . The region is poor , no jobs , expensive , not safe with very little to look forward too .
 

alan1

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nejepnerast said:
The prospect of Assyrian having their own country is extremely slim for the following reasons .

1-For every Assyrian that is born there 10 that leaves the region which by second and third generation are completely integrated in the western society .The problem is ,they make it easy for  Assyrian  to leave and get accepted in western countries .

2-For most parts Assyrian areas are over run by kurds , arabs and torkman and they are minority even in their own region .

3-Establishing a non muslim country between the Islamic republic of iran and turkey and iraq and syria is a no go for obvious reasons .

Assyrians are wanted back home and i believe an autonomous region can be created for them in the long run , but the problem is that there are no incentives at all in going back . The region is poor , no jobs , expensive , not safe with very little to look forward too .
I hope that a region for Assyrians is created at some point but not on the terms some members are discussing here because it's not realistic. The problem for Assyrians is that they can't establish a region without the blessing and protection of a super power, and no super power would be willing to do so because there is no interest for them to do so. Assyrians should work to establish a better understanding with the Kurdish political movements because that is their best shot at some sort of self governance and the assurance of their survival and prosperity in the region.
 

nejepnerast

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alan1 said:
I hope that a region for Assyrians is created at some point but not on the terms some members are discussing here because it's not realistic. The problem for Assyrians is that they can't establish a region without the blessing and protection of a super power, and no super power would be willing to do so because there is no interest for them to do so. Assyrians should work to establish a better understanding with the Kurdish political movements because that is their best shot at some sort of self governance and the assurance of their survival and prosperity in the region.
The major problem is their number which constantly declining . The freedom , safety and the social support in the west is too hard to resist .Every Assyrian i met is opposed to the mass migration and yet non is willing to go back . Yazidis are in the same Conundrum , but they are not migrating and very much attached to the land of their ancestors .
 

Nemrud

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Have anyone really talking recently about making an autonomy region for us? I cant belive the iraqi government doesnt care about us, we are almost exterminated in iraq for fucking sake
 

Cascade

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nejepnerast said:
The major problem is their number which constantly declining . The freedom , safety and the social support in the west is too hard to resist .Every Assyrian i met is opposed to the mass migration and yet non is willing to go back . Yazidis are in the same Conundrum , but they are not migrating and very much attached to the land of their ancestors .
This is true. Many Assyrians living there are migrating. So I don't see why they want a land when they all want to move out from there.
 

mrzurnaci

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Cascade said:
This is true. Many Assyrians living there are migrating. So I don't see why they want a land when they all want to move out from there.
because the only reason they want to move out is because it's not safe. Do I need to get Mazlow in here again? If there's no sense of safety, individuals cannot prosper.
 
Let's face it guys. Western civilization is pretty much dead lol. Assyrians will start migrating back to Assyria when there is no more reason to live in diaspora.
 

mrzurnaci

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SonOfAssyria said:
Let's face it guys. Western civilization is pretty much dead lol. Assyrians will start migrating back to Assyria when there is no more reason to live in diaspora.
It kinda is unless it picks itself back up. Welfare and Feminism has destroyed their birth rates to the point where they're importing Muslims just to replace the younger generations they didn't get.
 
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