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Why do so many people think we are extinct?

mrzurnaci

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ins001 said:
Either way around, same thing. They look like one another and that is just not going to slide down my throat.I understand this, but Syriac hasn't been "modernized". What I actually mean by this is that we are in an identity crisis
and people who barely reach the three-digit IQ mark easily confuse us with arabs and that is the last thing we want. So,
I want my language's writing to evolve into something similar to square-script so that it keeps a far distance from arabic or I'am never going to write in that language.

I guess it's just going to happen naturally. Hundreds of years from now Assyrians will create a revival of Neo-Aramaic where it will sound and look different from the way we speak it today. It even happens today on a micro scale, for example, if you had children and you taught them English first and then Aramaic then there Aramaic would sound very soft.I'm sorry, I know I'm being shallow-minded but that is my natural perception to this material.
Syriac can easily be modernized but it won't be if people don't know or learn the language...

people confuse us with Arabs because Arabs and Arabic is so numerous.

It's also likely those same three digit IQ people mistake Kurds for Arabs as well...

Hell there's even people in the USA that confuse Persians for Arabs just because of the writing despite the language being completely different...

Why distance it from Arabic? I remember being in high school, I showed a German exchange student girl both Syriac and Arabic writing. She said she liked Arabic writing more because it's more prettier...

Stop whining and use the Estrangela style Syriac then. The only Aramaic script that looks similar to Arabic is Serto/Pshitto so I don't know why you're making a big deal out of the writing to the point where you want to use a completely different system...

 

Cascade

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ins001 said:
I say we should just switch back to the very original, Akkadian. We only borrowed Aramaic from the ancient people of Syria the Arameans (if i'm not mistaken) so now its time to come back to Akkadian our original language made by Atouraye....haha just joking


It just seems much easier to learn the language when the letters don't have to be connected to each other with a line. It looks more organized too.
What do you mean by the Syriac alphabet being the most advanced?
Loool....the letters in the Akkadian script look like family tree charts. They seem confusing. And they seem similar to Chinese.
 

mrzurnaci

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Neon said:
Loool....the letters in the Akkadian script look like family tree charts. They seem confusing. And they seem similar to Chinese.
it is JUST like chinese... each cuneiform glyph was a syllable or a combination of syllables/words.

Hell, the most educated of Chinese people can only remember up to 4,000 of chinese characters BUT THERE'S OVER 8,000 CHARACTERS -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_General_Standard_Chinese_Characters

why do you think we switched to the Aramaic alphabet?

With Aramaic, all that was necessary was to remember the 22 letters and the rest of your memory is made up of grammar and vocabulary.

Alphabetic systems were clearly superior or else our ancient ancestors wouldn't have switched to Aramaic so easily.
 

Cascade

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mrzurnaci said:
it is JUST like chinese... each cuneiform glyph was a syllable or a combination of syllables/words.

Hell, the most educated of Chinese people can only remember up to 4,000 of chinese characters BUT THERE'S OVER 8,000 CHARACTERS -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_General_Standard_Chinese_Characters

why do you think we switched to the Aramaic alphabet?

With Aramaic, all that was necessary was to remember the 22 letters and the rest of your memory is made up of grammar and vocabulary.

Alphabetic systems were clearly superior or else our ancient ancestors wouldn't have switched to Aramaic so easily.
Perhaps because most of the world adopted a more "modern" script. Symbols and glyphs began to look primitive and dated.
 

mrzurnaci

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Neon said:
Perhaps because most of the world adopted a more "modern" script. Symbols and glyphs began to look primitive and dated.
that makes no sense, are you saying it's from peer pressure? No, it's from a sense of practicality. I'm not sure if China had neighbors that used an alphabet like system but they later saw alphabets as foreign and thus bad.

Going back on topic. Many people think we're extinct because of the education system.

Education systems don't really put emphasis on our existence, they only put emphasis on our history because that was back when we actually mattered, when we ruled virtually the Middle East.*** We did contribute ALOT to Persia and its successive empires but it didn't change the fact that it was Persians in rule, not Assyrians.

Secondly, then there's the Bible which only mentions ancient Assyrians but doesn't mention them afterwards despite the clear evidence of our existence.

Thirdly, the mitigation of our name by Muslims. Recall that Muslims dissolved Assyria as a political entity and region which the Persians had established for centuries. Not to mention the fact that Muslims appropriated much of our culture and knowledge and pass it off as their own.

*** - Ancient Assyria was a milestone in history because you could say we pretty much foreshadowed the rise of Rome. Rome arose similar to Assyria, both were subject to attacks by foreign peoples and thus had a desire to increase military power for protection. As both became stronger and stable, both created a professional standing army that was growing and adaptive to successive enemy threats and defeat them until instability hit both. Just like Rome, Assyria got too big to manage and there wasn't enough soldiers to man every volatile border.
 
Neta1991 said:
The ancient greeks called the arameans and assyrians syrians. " The people we call syrians,call themselves Arameans ". Syriac church fathers called their people arameans. In the east,  they called them Assyrians, while in the West, the people knew them as Syrians, when talking about Assyrians. The Turabdin people, after the fall of Nineveh, attacked the Babylonians,maybe because the turabdin people ( arameans) became Assyrians, source aina. And many more evidence! I AM A HISTORIAN AND NOT A FANATIC, U LITTLE RAT!
Is that the only argument that the Arameans use?

1. ?This people whom the Hellenes call the Syrians are called Assyrians by the Barbarians?.
        - Herodotus 5th century B.C

        Herodotus stated that those called Syrians by the Greeks were called Assyrians by themselves and in the East.

2.    ?When those who have written histories about the Syrian Empire say that the Medes were overthrown by the Persians and the Syrians by the Medes,
        they mean by the Syrians no other people than those who built the royal palaces in Babylon and Nineveh and of these Syrians Ninus was the man
        who founded Nineveh in Assyria and his wife Semiramis was the woman who succeeded her husband and founded Babylon
        -  Strabo 64 B.C ? 21 A.D

      Greek geographer and historian Strabo confirms Herodotus statement.

3.    ?The Assyrians who were afterwards called Syrians held their empire thirteen hundred years.?
Justinus 300 A.D

        Justinus, the Roman historian also confirms Herodotus and Strabo.


Here is a little extra, Tur'Abdin is in Turkey right?  :shades:

Map of Turkey in 1626 where all the ethnicities(except Turk) are represented:
https://www.vintage-maps.com/1031-extra_large/speed-turkey-turkish-ottoman-empire-1627.jpg

Pusc beshlama, :victory:
 

Nemrud

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WOW, i didnt remember i wrote those, l was crazy back then lol, neta1991 was me, l didnt even understand what l was saying, my grammar sucked back then hahahaha, l sounded like a racist for some reason, and l was so evil lol
 
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