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Why do assyrians copy assyrian CD's

romeal

New member
Hi guys and girls I am new to this forum:
I just want to know why do Assyrians copy Assyrian singers CD's, why dont we support them.
For example my uncle is Evin Agassi he used to tell me that he worked 24 hours on his new CD the circlt of life and yet not even 24 hours pass it is on youtube to listen, people have to understand that what they are doing is copyright and are infact breaking the law, they work extremely hard and pay a lot of money to make a CD these days I am talking $30,000.
I am so sorry to be rude like this but I am trying to find a way to stop copyright infridgement.

I am looking at Persians, Arabs they are making a living and people support their artists, why cant assyrians be like that? It is very sad that we dont support our artists and it makes me very mad that their CD's remain on youtube and makes the assyrians a laughing stock.

I will leave it there please tell me what you think about this?


 

ASHOOR

Administrator
Staff member
Hello Romeal, welcome to Assyrian Voice, great to have you :)

Ahhhh where do I start with this topic? I have so much to say and in fact have said so much throughout the years. It angers me so much how little support we give our singers (at least when it comes to buying their albums)

The internet has made it extremely easy to copy and distribute music. The people who do this and put it on Youtube and other websites think they are doing something good. For others, it is a matter of 'I did it first' just to get some recognition. They don't realize that when they put it online like this, many will copy it and not bother buying the album.

I think the best we can do to discourage this is more public awareness. It is even a matter of pride: if we don't support our singers, our very cultural survival is in jeopardy, because their song and pride is what has gotten many of us interested in their nation to begin with (think Ashur, Evin etc.)

As I have often said, every Assyrian should buy a minimum of two different Assyrian albums per year. If we all did this, supporting different singers, they would be doing a lot better and as a result, produce even better albums. But if their own people are not willing to help them, why should they even bother?

ASHOOR
 

mrzurnaci

New member
Because I like pirating Assyrian music and I ALWAYS copy Assyrian CDs

it's because I don't support the artists, it's just I'm a selfish pr1ck who doesn't care when he just wants the music to listen to

in fact, Shabeh Lawando gave my family a very special recording of his greatest songs into a remix for my sister's upcoming wedding, but I copied it already and distributed it all on youtube.

visit my youtube channel! - http://www.youtube.com/user/G33KN3rd
 

romeal

New member
mrzunacci, when you upload songs on youtube you are breaking the law of copyright infridgement.
What would you do if an assyrian artists took you to court for copyright infridgement
 

mrzurnaci

New member
romeal said:
mrzunacci, when you upload songs on youtube you are breaking the law of copyright infridgement.
What would you do if an assyrian artists took you to court for copyright infridgement
I don't care, and I don't care if they take me to court for copyright infringement, I don't even have a penny to my name......

I'll even tell you in Syriac - ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??? ????
 

romeal

New member
Mr mrzurnaci, dont take this personally, lets presume that you were sued by an assyrian singer for the sum of $10,000 worth of damage, you go to court and you loose and you are demanded to pay the singer $10,000 in damages how would you feel then?

By the way just of curiosity, why do you not support the assyrian singers, do you demand more from them, or they are not doing enough, is it jealousy, you dont like them? why you dont like them? there has to be a reason for people copyrighting their music?

It is troubling me, I dont understand why people do it.
Can you please tell me what we should honestly do to prevent copyright?
 

mrzurnaci

New member
romeal said:
Mr mrzurnaci, dont take this personally, lets presume that you were sued by an assyrian singer for the sum of $10,000 worth of damage, you go to court and you loose and you are demanded to pay the singer $10,000 in damages how would you feel then?

By the way just of curiosity, why do you not support the assyrian singers, do you demand more from them, or they are not doing enough, is it jealousy, you dont like them? why you dont like them? there has to be a reason for people copyrighting their music?

It is troubling me, I dont understand why people do it.
Can you please tell me what we should honestly do to prevent copyright?
I'm not going to pay them

Why should I have to pay copyrights when Assyrian singers just take kurdish, turkish, arabic, person, greek, and american songs and just remake them in Assyrian?

until I see actual music that isn't from our neighbors, then I'll respect it; if the music is inspired from our neighbors, then thats different.
 

Moneer Cherie

New member
mrzurnaci said:
I'm not going to pay them

Why should I have to pay copyrights when Assyrian singers just take kurdish, turkish, arabic, person, greek, and american songs and just remake them in Assyrian?

until I see actual music that isn't from our neighbors, then I'll respect it; if the music is inspired from our neighbors, then thats different.
mrzurnaci said:
I'm not going to pay them

Why should I have to pay copyrights when Assyrian singers just take kurdish, turkish, arabic, person, greek, and american songs and just remake them in Assyrian?

until I see actual music that isn't from our neighbors, then I'll respect it; if the music is inspired from our neighbors, then thats different.
But if you don't support them in the first place by buying their original albums, How could you demand from them to release "original" Assyrian music?

I always ask anyone who tells me that our music is bad: Do you buy original Cds, if he says no then I tell him to shut up. Because when you have paid $10 or $20 dollars for an original album, then you have the right to complain if the album was bad, but if you paid 50c or $3 for a bootleg copy then please don?t preach to me on the state of our music. 
 

Moneer Cherie

New member
romeal said:
mrzunacci, when you upload songs on youtube you are breaking the law of copyright infridgement.
What would you do if an assyrian artists took you to court for copyright infridgement
Let say you take any known Madona song and you upload it to youtube, Youtube somehow will automatically recognize it and block it. They have the technology to do that, so our Assyrian singers should contact the people running youtube-site and find out how to block Copyrighted Assyrian songs too. But unfortunately our singers try to do that by word of mouth, but that?s clearly not working!   
 

mrzurnaci

New member
Moneer Cherie said:
But if you don't support them in the first place by buying their original albums, How could you demand from them to release "original" Assyrian music?

I always ask anyone who tells me that our music is bad: Do you buy original Cds, if he says no then I tell him to shut up. Because when you have paid $10 or $20 dollars for an original album, then you have the right to complain if the album was bad, but if you paid 50c or $3 for a bootleg copy then please don?t preach to me on the state of our music. 
that's the thing moneer, i WOULD legally buy the CDs from our singers, but they don't really make original music, many songs I hear were either taken from turkish, arabic, persian, kurdish, greek, armenian, or american or watever; I don't mind if the song was INFLUENCED by these genres, because the song will still be original, but to sample parts or most of a song and then revising the lyrics to our language just isn't original, anyone can take any song and make it assyrian, i bet juliana jendo can make any Beyonce song into assyrian lol
 

shekwanta

New member
Hello :)
first of all ----> I luv Iwan Aghassi, great singer, of course..

now to the real problem -----> I (for example) download songs from Youtube simply because I know there are no copyright infridgements! especially for Assyrian  songs! ..
do you really think an Assyrian singer would drag other assyrians that download their songs illegaly to court? I mean just thinking that Assyrians are seperated on earth makes it hard for singers to demand their rights! ..
I mean, the problem is not with the people that download songs illegaly, but with the people that actually offer "free youtube mp3 converter" and stuff like that..

so, Am sorry but I dont think it will help you with anything, telling people to stop "copying" songs from/to youtube..

oh one more thing! ----> if am not wrong (which I believe I am!) arent there some kind of CDs that can be filled with music but cant be changed after filling them with it? my point is, IF there are such CDs, won't it solve the problem by making the songs only on "Not Rewritable CDs"
I mean that way the singer makes his/her songs on "safe" CDs and sells them and gets his money "fairly", AND the people that ACTUALLY buy these CDs won't be able to steal these songs and post them on Youtube which will FORCE others to buy the singer's CD also (to be able to get the song)!
 

Moneer Cherie

New member
shekwanta said:
Hello :)
first of all ----> I luv Iwan Aghassi, great singer, of course..

now to the real problem -----> I (for example) download songs from Youtube simply because I know there are no copyright infridgements! especially for Assyrian  songs! ..
do you really think an Assyrian singer would drag other assyrians that download their songs illegaly to court? I mean just thinking that Assyrians are seperated on earth makes it hard for singers to demand their rights! ..
I mean, the problem is not with the people that download songs illegaly, but with the people that actually offer "free youtube mp3 converter" and stuff like that..

so, Am sorry but I dont think it will help you with anything, telling people to stop "copying" songs from/to youtube..

oh one more thing! ----> if am not wrong (which I believe I am!) arent there some kind of CDs that can be filled with music but cant be changed after filling them with it? my point is, IF there are such CDs, won't it solve the problem by making the songs only on "Not Rewritable CDs"
I mean that way the singer makes his/her songs on "safe" CDs and sells them and gets his money "fairly", AND the people that ACTUALLY buy these CDs won't be able to steal these songs and post them on Youtube which will FORCE others to buy the singer's CD also (to be able to get the song)!

My concern is not with people downloading from Youtube, but with Youtube allowing copyrighted materials to be uploaded on their site in the first place!

And I am not talking about 10 or 20 years old songs, but about brand new songs, take for example the new Linda George Cds, it just hit the market and it was immediately uploaded in full on youtube, now that?s really unfair to our artists, I mean at least give them one year so they could sale some original copies and recover some of their expenses.  And the sad part is such people think they are helping the artists or ?promoting? the album. The same thing happened with Evin Agassi double album and Ashur bet Sargis double album and many others.
 

Moneer Cherie

New member
mrzurnaci said:
that's the thing moneer, i WOULD legally buy the CDs from our singers, but they don't really make original music, many songs I hear were either taken from turkish, arabic, persian, kurdish, greek, armenian, or american or watever; I don't mind if the song was INFLUENCED by these genres, because the song will still be original, but to sample parts or most of a song and then revising the lyrics to our language just isn't original, anyone can take any song and make it assyrian, i bet juliana jendo can make any Beyonce song into assyrian lol
I know what you mean, but this is bad cycle; because the singers are blaming low sales for their "bad music" and you, as a costumer are blaming the singers for their "bad music"!

(Singers always say, guys buy original CD so we can improve our music quality, and you are saying I will only buy copies until they improve their music quality) when will this end?

However I must say there are many singers today releasing beautiful and original Assyrian music, like Linda, Evin, Gaggi however not many people bought their original albums but many have sadly copied their albums.
 

Moneer Cherie

New member
I personally not only buy original Tapes, Cds but now also went back to buying Vinyls. And this is a small sample I got in my collection. I personally think there is nothing more beautiful than an original album that is well produced.

 

shekwanta

New member
Moneer Cherie said:
I personally not only buy original Tapes, Cds but now also went back to buying Vinyls. And this is a small sample I got in my collection. I personally think there is nothing more beautiful than an original album that is well produced.
1.
you know.. I really like collectig old stuff, Assyrian stuff (e.g CDs, Plays, jewellry, books, etc etc..) and if I had MONEY and the CHANCE to buy more CDs than I would have done it.. but am only 19 sooo ... yeah :) don't really have the chance (youth download songs illegal cause its easier!)
2.
I live in Europe, and here there arent so much "assyrian things" to buy! (e.g if I wanted to buy a CD I would have to order it online -------> which in the end: mom doesn't allow cause its too risky!)
3.
there are 4,000,000 million Assyrians out there! (whom to start with! :/ .. it's hard to make everyone, at once, JUST STOP downloading songs!)

Not that am "ooookay" with the illegal downloading, I mean surrrre! singers must also have their work paid for and stuff..  but.. there are just some "situations" where an illegal download is a MUST! u know..
 
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