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Violence against Copts celebrated

Etain

Member
The bombing of the Copts, as well as many attacks on Copts in Egypt by Muslims over the years, are a great example of how Muslims cannot live in peace with Christians.  But they are also a great example of karma.  It?s a *****, and over the weekend, the ***** was Muslim.  And what goes around definitely comes around in the case of the Copts. In the case of the Copts versus the Muslims, I view it as I did the Iran-Iraq war and the larger feud between Shi?ite and Sunni Muslims. I wish it could go on forever and that both sides would lose.
But he is not the first to incite Coptic violence against Jews.  In fact, the Copts were not only extremely anti-Semitic (as they continue to be), but they often led the Muslims in pogroms against the Jews of Egypt.  There are almost no Jews left in Egypt, and the Copts joined the Muslims in calling for the Jews? expulsion.  Many Jewish homes and property were taken not by Muslims, but by Copts.

As in the case of many Christian groups in the Middle East, the Copts sided with Muslims in their persecution of the Jews.  And they bet on the wrong side.  Now that bet is coming back to bite them in the ass.  And you?ll see no tears or sympathy from me.  The Coptic Church was one of the most anti-Semitic churches in the Middle East and the most anti-Israel.  It?s not new.  And it hasn?t changed.

And, therefore, I couldn?t care less about what the Muslims do to the Copts. Like I said, it?s about evil fighting evil. Let G-d sort it out. I refuse to pick a side in this pit bull fight.
If you side with the Copts, it?s no different than siding with Muslims. It?s a ?distinction? without a difference.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/31285/no-tears-for-egypts-coptic-christians/
Were you expecting something different?
 

Joe25

New member
I don't expect heebs to have any sympathy for goyim like christians, I know where their priorities are I'm not gullible to think that they would care. Atleast they don't hit them with terrorist attacks like muslims do though.

Also I do find the irony pretty good. Yes lets side with the jews who are funding Kurds who are ethnically cleansing us, lol lets actually encourage our own cultural genocide. There is no win for christian minorities in the middle east if they pick their poison between those two. The Copts, Lebanese christians, Assyrians etc. should form alliance but how practical is it? Too spread out, oppressed, too far away from eachother etc.
 

Etain

Member
Joe25 said:
I don't expect heebs to have any sympathy for goyim like christians, I know where their priorities are I'm not gullible to think that they would care. Atleast they don't hit them with terrorist attacks like muslims do though.

Also I do find the irony pretty good. Yes lets side with the jews who are funding Kurds who are ethnically cleansing us, lol lets actually encourage our own cultural genocide. There is no win for christian minorities in the middle east if they pick their poison between those two. The Copts, Lebanese christians, Assyrians etc. should form alliance but how practical is it? Too spread out, oppressed, too far away from eachother etc.
Indeed. It's important to remember there are no real allies. But too many casual observers think the Jews are.
An alliance between those groups would not work. the only real option is to keep the population up and pick out the sanest,most secular Muslims(the Syrian government, alawites). I understand problems could arise of course.
 

Joe25

New member
Etain said:
Indeed. It's important to remember there are no real allies. But too many casual observers think the Jews are.
An alliance between those groups would not work. the only real option is to keep the population up and pick out the sanest,most secular Muslims(the Syrian government, alawites). I understand problems could arise of course.

Most of us(those non-gullible) agree that some Shia sects are our best choices for the time being. During times of crisis you get the best picture of who is the most on your side. Fact is the shia have liberated christian areas, saved churches rung their bells after defeating terrorists etc. Israel has done squat but continue to fund the Kurds who continue to take over Assyrian lands. Lets still beg them though so a bunch of folks of european ancestry don't consider us of all people "anti-semitic". You can't make this up.
 

nejepnerast

New member
Muslims killing non Muslim and celebrating and Christians killing Muslims too and celebrating . What is the difference ? Just not to upset anyone let us say" it is the will of God" , no ?
 

Cascade

Active member
Just one Jewish bimbo who doesn't represent all Jews. I'm pretty sure that there are Christians (not even just Muslims) who gloat when Israelis or Jews are murdered. Sadly, these Christians do tend to be Assyrian.

I can find Buddhists, Hindus and people of many other belief systems who would say such peripheral things. At the end of the day, Muslims are the ones who come in masses and celebrate the deaths of Christians, Jews, etc. This isn't news.

Jews will always be allies. A few rotten-mouthed Jews wouldn't change my mind. Just the same way a few fundamental Christians in America wouldn't make me perceive Christianity to be in the same grounds of Islam.
 
I don't know.

I was pro-Israel for a long time. I thought Israel was the last fortification against Islamic rule of the Middle East and I never subscribed to this 'Jews control the world' ideology because I thought it was ludicrous and just paranoid sentiment.

However, in light of recent events, I'm not so sure how I feel about the Jews. I've been listening to PartisanGirl a lot and she's staking the claim that Jews have been funding Al Nusra, which puts me on edge.

Whether Jewish support for such organisations is in attempt to pin Muslim against Muslim, I don't know. What I do know is that if such elusive Jewish activity was taking place, it's having negative ramifications for the Assyrian people.

@Neon How are Jews our allies? I'm not saying we're enemies, but what exactly have they done to gain our support? I can't find any evidence to suggest that they've benefited us either directly or inadvertently.
 

Cascade

Active member
Mr. Tambourine Man said:
How are Jews our allies? I'm not saying we're enemies, but what exactly have they done to gain our support? I can't find any evidence to suggest that they've benefited us either directly or inadvertently.
They're more allies than they are our enemies, if anything. But I meant in a future tense - If we have a nation, I can see us being allies. They're Semitic-speaking and they even sound similar to us. Armenians are next of kin. And speaking of Armenians, they also haven't aided us too. But of course, Israelis will always be the despised ones. ;)

I can understand why Israel hasn't intervened and helped us with ISIS. They're just afraid and very vulnerable as a nation - Perhaps their intervention will entail a way for ISIS to enter and ruin their country? They already have to manage with the Palestinian conflict. They are not a superpower nation anyway. They need assistance too. So let's give them a break. Not to mention, we are a minority within a minority in the Middle East. We are not conspicuous enough for them to benefit us.

I know you might bring up Shias for helping us and saving our people. But what they're doing is pretty understandable and justified. After all, Shias live in Iraq, and they will be obligated to defend their citizens from criminals. Not all Muslims support terrorists (and I think everybody knows this platitude). And many Muslims, especially those who are proud to defend their country, will fight Islamic terrorists (surprising? I think not). I'm pretty sure if Jews were living in myriads in Iraq and were, say, in Shias stead, they would be doing the same.

We have to look deeper in such matters - Jews haven't aided us because there are barely any Jews left in Iraq. Muslims will always "aid" us inadvertently (or not), because, well, a lot of Muslims exist in Iraq and live alongside of us. And they will defend their country, its people, its edifice, etc. Now does this mean that Islam is a more liberating religion than Judaism? Should we go and live in Iran or Pakistan as instead of Israel? :mrgreen:
 

Etain

Member
Mr. Tambourine Man said:
I don't know.

I was pro-Israel for a long time. I thought Israel was the last fortification against Islamic rule of the Middle East and I never subscribed to this 'Jews control the world' ideology because I thought it was ludicrous and just paranoid sentiment.

However, in light of recent events, I'm not so sure how I feel about the Jews. I've been listening to PartisanGirl a lot and she's staking the claim that Jews have been funding Al Nusra, which puts me on edge.

Whether Jewish support for such organisations is in attempt to pin Muslim against Muslim, I don't know. What I do know is that if such elusive Jewish activity was taking place, it's having negative ramifications for the Assyrian people.

@Neon How are Jews our allies? I'm not saying we're enemies, but what exactly have they done to gain our support? I can't find any evidence to suggest that they've benefited us either directly or inadvertently.
Maram,Partisangirl, is very good. I am quite a fan of her. She's been riled up since the airstrikes.



 

Cascade

Active member
Etain said:
MASHALLAH.
*kisses u*
He was being sarcastic. Lol.

I hope you were too, because you did (rightfully) get mad when he said that innocent Sunnis in Mosul should get bombed. So let's not be hypocrites. ;)
 

Etain

Member
Neon said:
He was being sarcastic. Lol.

I hope you were too, because you did (rightfully) get mad when he said that innocent Sunnis in Mosul should get bombed. So let's not be hypocrites. ;)
Yes. I am anti-violence. I just wanted to point out how this woman thinks.
 

Cascade

Active member
Etain said:
Yes. I am anti-violence. I just wanted to point out how this woman thinks.
I hope you are. Cos saying "mashallah" after someone condoning death for people is kinda inappropriate.
 

mrzurnaci

Active member
who cares what Debbie says, she's a dumb kalebta who would be stupid enough to blame all Copts because Shenouda said a few anti-Jewish words. She makes it seem like Shenouda has the power to send hordes of Copts to attack Jews when Jews under Coptic rule lived 100x better than Jews under Muslim rule.

She also seems to ignore the idea that Muslims peer pressure and threaten Middle Eastern Christians into saying anti-Semitic crap or else risk alienation or harm...

In the Muslim Middle East, if you're pro-Israel then you better get ready to move there or you're in for a world of hurt.
you have the choice of being Pro-Israel or Pro-Staying-Alive.

She's also displaying a lesson not learned from WW2...
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me?and there was no one left to speak for me."
 

KingA

New member
Joe25 said:
Most of us(those non-gullible) agree that some Shia sects are our best choices for the time being. During times of crisis you get the best picture of who is the most on your side. Fact is the shia have liberated christian areas, saved churches rung their bells after defeating terrorists etc. Israel has done squat but continue to fund the Kurds who continue to take over Assyrian lands. Lets still beg them though so a bunch of folks of european ancestry don't consider us of all people "anti-semitic". You can't make this up.

Did you hear what the head of Shiite Waqf said about Christians last week? I dont know how trustable Rudaw is, but if that is true, most of us are wrong about kindness and tolerance of the shiite muslims  :confused:

http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/140520171
 

Cascade

Active member
KingA said:
Did you hear what the head of Shiite Waqf said about Christians last week? I dont know how trustable Rudaw is, but if that is true, most of us are wrong about kindness and tolerance of the shiite muslims  :confused:

http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/140520171
It's not surprise that Shiites would utter such things. They're still Muslim, and their ideology is straightforward. People should stop being na?ve, especially Assyrians.
 

mrzurnaci

Active member
KingA said:
Did you hear what the head of Shiite Waqf said about Christians last week? I dont know how trustable Rudaw is, but if that is true, most of us are wrong about kindness and tolerance of the shiite muslims  :confused:

http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/140520171
Neon said:
It's not surprise that Shiites would utter such things. They're still Muslim, and their ideology is straightforward. People should stop being na?ve, especially Assyrians.

actually, Shoebat says that's BS.

http://shoebat.com/2017/05/17/convert-to-islam-or-die-infidels-muslim-cleric-gives-ultimatum-to-iraqi-christians/

"This story seems to have first come out of Alaraby, which is a Middle Eastern News Network based in London and founded in 2014 as a ?counter? to Al-Jazeera. Its founder is Azmi Bishara, a ?Christian? from Israel with strong connections to the communist party and a host of other groups. What is of particular interest is that he is a direct supporter of the opposition to Syrian President Asad and helped to form the ?National Coalition For Syrian Revolutionary And Opposition Forces.?"

The source of the news is from anti-Shi'a outlet.
 

Etain

Member
mrzurnaci said:
She also seems to ignore the idea that Muslims peer pressure and threaten Middle Eastern Christians into saying anti-Semitic crap or else risk alienation or harm...
She does indeed. But who's to say they aren't being genuine?
 

mrzurnaci

Active member
Etain said:
She does indeed. But who's to say they aren't being genuine?
because it makes little sense for Copts to be anti-semitic outside of Muslim peer pressure...
Secondly, Debbie is making it seem like ALL of the Copts are anti-Semitic and stating that violence from Muslims is karma (for "hating" Jews) rather than the sheer fact that Muslims simply hate non-Muslims plain and simple.

Not to mention there's 1,000+ Copts living in Israel but that's none of my business...
 

KingA

New member
mrzurnaci said:
actually, Shoebat says that's BS.

http://shoebat.com/2017/05/17/convert-to-islam-or-die-infidels-muslim-cleric-gives-ultimatum-to-iraqi-christians/

"This story seems to have first come out of Alaraby, which is a Middle Eastern News Network based in London and founded in 2014 as a ?counter? to Al-Jazeera. Its founder is Azmi Bishara, a ?Christian? from Israel with strong connections to the communist party and a host of other groups. What is of particular interest is that he is a direct supporter of the opposition to Syrian President Asad and helped to form the ?National Coalition For Syrian Revolutionary And Opposition Forces.?"

The source of the news is from anti-Shi'a outlet.

Check his speech:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170517-shia-cleric-iraq-christians-infidels-who-must-convert-or-be-killed/
 
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