mrzurnaci said:
They're not separate languages, they're dialects...
A dialect that is 90% mutually intelligible means it's the same language but as a dialect.
Correction - I meant that Turoyo is "90% mutually
UNINTELLIGIBLE" to us.
If they were separate languages, then we wouldn't have been able to understand each other AT ALL...
German and Dutch are separate languages and they understand each other to a limited degree. Does this mean that their languages are dialects too? Swedish and Danish are also mutually intelligible to a certain degree... :dry:
Doesn't matter what u say, it's a dialect whether you like it or not; especially when old, educated European men say it's a dialect...
That's a feeble argument, man. Those "old, educated European men" don't get to teach us about our OWN language thank you very much. We know our culture more, not them. For their untrained alien ear, Turoyo and Assyrian would definitely sound alike. Outsiders are not good sources. If German and Dutch were minor ethnic languages in Asia, and if I were a rich European linguistic "expert", I would probably consider them dialects of the same (Germanic) language. Foreigners generally trivialize the importance and complexity of language.
Look, we were just watching a Suroyo TV program and my family was like "why are these people such nationalistic Assyrians and yet are speaking a wholly different language?". I actually defended these people and said that "at least, unlike Chaldeans, they're speaking Aramaic rather than Arabic, so let's give them props here". But my parents are still on the right track, these people do NOT speak our language. Their wordings, vocab, etc, are distinct. This is common sense.
Just because we speak a modern variation of Syriac/Aramaic doesn't mean that we are all speaking dialects. That's more tribal than anything, and I thought you hate "tribal bullsh!t" (as you put it). We are both evolved enough to speak a distinct language of our own. That's far less "tribal" than anything, and more nationalistic and progressive.
To put it plainly, Assyrian and Turoyo are Syriac languages, just like how Dutch, German and English are Germanic. They all come from a Proto-Germanic/Syriac language. Doesn't mean that its "children" languages are dialects. And I find it debasing to think so, to be honest - My Assyrian language is NOT a dialect. Why reduce your beautiful language to a mere "dialect" anyway? That's unpatriotic, degrading and even offensive.
Oh I take the last paragraph back - Lishanid Deni can easily be an Assyrian dialect. They sound very mutually intelligible (now they're 90% intelligible) and their accent is pretty much like Chaldeans.