Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
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Neon said:
missing 'r'...
the root for death in Semitic languages is M-W-T (meem waw taw)
the latin "mortalis" comes from latin "mors" (death)
"mors" originates from (reconstructed) indo euro root "mer"
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction
roto-Indo-European/mer-example of modern languages that use the root
Kurdish - Mirin
Persian - Mordan
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And it really isn't convincing.Carlo said:
Look I'm also not a linguist here and I lack knowledge in languages, but come on, the OP surely would know that many languages from numerous differing families have some sort of inflection. He can't be this na?ve. Lol. But his thread (which is interesting nonetheless) is from 8 years ago. Hopefully he's learnt a bit since then.
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I should've added to my post that the Assyrian M-N-E root is about counting and reckoning which is why it's not unrealistic for men?ya to be from that root since we often change Ehs into Yuds.
Although the English word for kill derives from words that sound more different to the Semitic root Q-TT-L, the key is to look for the consonants and account for as many changes as possible. Does killen/kyllen/c?llen posses any affixes? If the "en" is a suffix, then you're left with K-L. Qop and Kap interchange often. So it's easy to connect the Qop and Lammad in Q-TT-L to the Kap and Lammad sounds in the English equivalents.
If you look at Proto Indo-European words, there seems to be much commonality with Proto-Semitic roots. At the very least, it suggests a close proximity between the speakers of the languages -one of the many reasons why upper Mesopotamia is most likely the urheimat (birthplace) of Proto Semitic.
Although the English word for kill derives from words that sound more different to the Semitic root Q-TT-L, the key is to look for the consonants and account for as many changes as possible. Does killen/kyllen/c?llen posses any affixes? If the "en" is a suffix, then you're left with K-L. Qop and Kap interchange often. So it's easy to connect the Qop and Lammad in Q-TT-L to the Kap and Lammad sounds in the English equivalents.
If you look at Proto Indo-European words, there seems to be much commonality with Proto-Semitic roots. At the very least, it suggests a close proximity between the speakers of the languages -one of the many reasons why upper Mesopotamia is most likely the urheimat (birthplace) of Proto Semitic.
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Well, they have proposed the Nostratic language family, which includes Indo-European, Afro-Asiatic, Japonic, Korean and Uralic languages having the same common ancestor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostratic_languagesSharukinu said:
There's also Indo-Semitic, which hypothesizes that Semitic and Indo-European languages have the same ancestor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Semitic_languages
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I realized the English word "woe" is related to the Assyrian word "wai" (as in the song, Wai Wai Minakh by Sargon Gabriel, meaning "woe from you"). Astonishingly, the proto-Indo European word is "wai", which is quite identical to the modern Assyrian word. Both "wai" and "akh" (which is also used in Arabic - "akh minak") are in the Syriac dictionary. And it appears that "wai" is a classical Syriac word. So maybe it has genetic ties to the proto-Indo European word *wai?
Akh: http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=30429&language=id
Wye: http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=16457&language=id
The Indo-European cognate include; Latin vae, Lithuanian va?, Russian ???? (uv?), Middle Irish f?e, Dutch wee, German weh, Danish ve, French ouais, Ancient Greek ???? (oua?), Armenian ??? (vay) and Persian ??? (v?y).
Akh: http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=30429&language=id
Wye: http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=16457&language=id
The Indo-European cognate include; Latin vae, Lithuanian va?, Russian ???? (uv?), Middle Irish f?e, Dutch wee, German weh, Danish ve, French ouais, Ancient Greek ???? (oua?), Armenian ??? (vay) and Persian ??? (v?y).
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Neon said:
I've also noticed these similarities. It's very interesting since they are words that describe such basic emotions.
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What I gathered from this really instructive thread is that these words are likely to have genetic connections to proto Indo-European:
Ayna: Eye
Ara: Earth (Proto-Indo-European *h?er- compare Ancient Greek *??? *?ra)
Wai: Woe
Tara: Door (Proto-Indo-European *d?wer- ?doorway, door, gate?, compare German T?r)
These words I'm not sure of, but should be put in perspective:
Laya: Light (Proto-Indo-European root *lewk- ?light?)
Manay: Meaning
Sawer: Swear (from PIE *swer- ?to speak, talk? - Perhaps related to Semitic root s-w-t/sawt; voice?)
Qat-qit: Cut (from Proto-Germanic *kutjan?, *kuttan?; ?to cut?)
Khzee: See (from Proto-Indo-European *sek?- ?to see, notice?
"Zruch" ("scratch") and "boot" ("about") are probably coincidental. Also, "cat" (qatoo) is said to be derived from the ancient Egyptian word "?aute".
P.S. Would you say that the Afro-Asiatic languages gave rise to Indo-European? Could AA be an ancestor to IE?
Ayna: Eye
Ara: Earth (Proto-Indo-European *h?er- compare Ancient Greek *??? *?ra)
Wai: Woe
Tara: Door (Proto-Indo-European *d?wer- ?doorway, door, gate?, compare German T?r)
These words I'm not sure of, but should be put in perspective:
Laya: Light (Proto-Indo-European root *lewk- ?light?)
Manay: Meaning
Sawer: Swear (from PIE *swer- ?to speak, talk? - Perhaps related to Semitic root s-w-t/sawt; voice?)
Qat-qit: Cut (from Proto-Germanic *kutjan?, *kuttan?; ?to cut?)
Khzee: See (from Proto-Indo-European *sek?- ?to see, notice?
"Zruch" ("scratch") and "boot" ("about") are probably coincidental. Also, "cat" (qatoo) is said to be derived from the ancient Egyptian word "?aute".
P.S. Would you say that the Afro-Asiatic languages gave rise to Indo-European? Could AA be an ancestor to IE?
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Neon said:
I think they most likely have a common origin. Sister languages, or cousins.
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Afro-Asiatic languages originated in eastern Africa. They then spread to north Africa and out to western Asia. Maybe AA eventually reached the Caucasus and eastern Europe, and then perhaps proto Indo-European started to diverge from it?Etain said:
Indo European, Turkic and Uralic languages didn't come out of thin air. They all probably some how diverged from Afro-Asiatic, or at least share a "common ancestor" with AA.
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I noticed our verbs/prepositions are identical to those in English, except they have 'switched' meanings.
We (Assyrian as in "we spy" - "be good")
In (Assyrian as in "in azen" - "if I go")
Be (Assyrian as in "be idee" - "with my hand")
It (Assyrian as in "heh, it" - "yes, there is")
We (Assyrian as in "we spy" - "be good")
In (Assyrian as in "in azen" - "if I go")
Be (Assyrian as in "be idee" - "with my hand")
It (Assyrian as in "heh, it" - "yes, there is")
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Cascade said:
"we" - ܗܘܝ - 'h-w-y'
"I go" is actually "(a)zelee"
"it" actually means existence so you're really saying "yes, it exists"
look at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%DC%90%DC%9D%DC%AC%DC%98%DC%AC%DC%90
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"I go" in my dialect is "b'azen" or "khashen". Of course, this would differ in other dialects, such as Tyari and Jelu ones.mrzurnaci said:
I know "it" means existence. That's what my previous post exemplified.
What about "in"? The "if" in our language. What is its root?