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Cascade

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SonOfAssyria said:
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One thing people don't seem to understand is the term Semitic does not refer to a racial group (anymore) unless and only if it is in a biblical context. The term Semitic, as well as Hamitic and Japhetic is considered obsolete outside linguistics. Semitic refers to a language group. If you want to use the term Semitic as a racial group then it should only be done in a biblical context, since not everyone considers the Bible as 100% fact.

The Sumerians were definitely not a Semitic-speaking people. However, if you look at it from a biblical perspective, it is pretty likely that they are  Semitic, as in descendants of the biblical Shem, since they lived in Mesopotamia, which is in the Middle East, which is where the descendants of Shem live. Check out this map, its pretty cool:

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/3c/11/0d/3c110df42407fd728ca9fe1b052f072e--uk-history-noah.jpg

Personally, I believe that the Sumerians would have been very similar ethnically to the Akkadians and other Mesopotamians, as their own depictions of themselves are very similiar to how Assyrians depicted themselves in reliefs and statues. I've also read somewhere that there is no evidence which presents the Sumerians and Akkadians as two distinct people, other than their linguistic and cultural differences. I am not sure whether or not they were the exact people, but I believe they definitely looked very similar and were genetically similar, which is probably why the two cultures were so close, even to the point where they would borrow words from each other and integrate them into their respective languages. Linguists even refer to the Akkadian and Sumerian languages as a sprachbund, which is basically languages that have common features due to geography and language contact.
I know that Semitic is a biblical term. It's not a bona fide race. It's even fictitious.
 

Nemrud

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To be honest l miss ezidi kurd, he was special and racist but still hehehe, he was sometimes kind too. And he believed so strong that the iranian kurds would win afrin. Btw i belive kurds got median blood but they are not the direct descendants of them, there are probably iranians that are more closely related to the medes than the kurds. I also know that the kurds are iranians like the medes but there where other iranians too. Also the kurdish language isnt directly descendant of the median language but l think they are related ,both being iranian. Actually if you think about it the kurdish people already got a country Iran, but they are so determined to split from them and create their own country in kurdistan, which really is assyria.
 

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Ezidi Kurd said:
I never left and I'm NOT a racist. I'm a realist and just telling a true. I don't think that n!ggers als less humanoids than I am. But I do accept differences among human beings.

All Muslim Kurmanji Kurds were Ezdi once. Some Sorani Kurds were not Ezdi in the past, but Zoroastrians or something. But Ezdi Kurds are direct ancestors of Sunni Muslim Kurmanji Kurds.

I compaed my Ezdi auDNA with other Kurds and my auDNA is identical to other Kurds.


Kurds, like Medes, are NorthWest Iranic people. Perisans are SOUTH-West Iranic people. Like Eastern Iranic people, like SoutWest Iranic people, also NORTH-West Iranic people deserve a country.


As an Ezdi Kurd I'm native to my homeland Ezdixan which is on Northern Mesopotamia.


I don't know how true this is, but according to this study my people, the Ezdi Kurds, are NATIVE to Northern Mesopotamia/Ezdixan. My people are DIRECT descedants of the Medes and therefore Mitanni/Kassites and even further into hisotry the ARYAN Ubaid Sumerians. All of those people are NORTH-West Iranic people. We are ancestors of all Iranic people including the Persians.


Notice that Ezdi Kurds are very different for the Semites. My auDNA is very different for the Semites or even NorthWest Semitic Assyrians. My auDNA clusters with different people


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5669434/
http://www.hujada.com/article.php?ar=3112

According to These ezidi people are not kurdish, While kurdish people are Linked With iranian people u can possible be Linked to mesopotamia, also according to that study assyrians and yazidis are genetic closely related, so u can have right in some points.
 

Nemrud

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Ezidi Kurd said:
Kurds ARE winning in Afrin. Our beloved Aryan/Ezdi city Afrin is still standing. Once majory population of Afrin were the Ezdi Kurds. Remember that Turanic Mongoloid monkeys said that they will get Afrin in 2 day. You know what? after 41 days Afrin is still standing and Turanic Sunni Muslim monkeys can advance few km. They are afraid entering Afrin.

There is only 10 km between Mongoloid terrorist Sunni monkeys and Arin and Turks are afraid to enter it. Becuase Turks know that they will lose big time. It will be their Waterloo and the end of Turkish state. Kurds want Turks inside Afrin, we want urban war in Afrin, but Turks are scared and they know that they NEVER can defeat the Kurds.


Turks can't fight. All what they do is just bombing the civilian Afrin population with NATO planes and Russian gasoline.


Actually the BIGGEST enemies of the Kurds in Afrin are the Russians. Kurds are fighting agaisnt the Russians in Afrin.


Kurds are winning and they will NEVER lose Afrin, even when the Russians are going to use the NUKES against the Kurds, Afrin will be still standing and it will be ALWAYS part of GREAT Kurdistan. And the independent GREAT Kurdistan will be established very soon.
actually yazidis and assyrians are closely related, that means u are more related to US than Kurds, which is related to iranian people
 

Nemrud

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Ezidi Kurd said:
What the hell are you talking about???

NORTH West Iranic Kurmanji/Ezdiki is NATIVE language of the Ezdi Kurds. Ezdi are the ancesotrs of the Kurds. Once before Islam, most Kurds were Ezdi.

My NorthWest Iranic auDNA is identical to other non-Ezdi Kurds. DNA doesn't lie.


That recent study is on Y-DNA and NOT autosomal DNA and deep roots. This stdy is just saying that Ezdi Y-haplogrpups are originally from Northern Mesopotamia. Both my Y-DNA R1a* and my mtDNA HV1b2 are native to Ezdixan/Norther Mesopotamia. Ancient Aryan Sumerians belonged to these haplogorups.




Y-DNA haplogroups R1b, R1a*, J2a, J1 and mtDNA haplogroups like HV1b2 are all orginally from Kurdistan/Ezdixan



But auDNA is much, much more important that Y-DNA. And my NorthWest Iranic auDNA is full of Caucaso-Gedrosia Mesopotamian componnet. And it doesnt overlap and cluster with NorthWest Semitic Assyrians.
My auDNA is very, very different from the Assyrians...
But kurdish is iranian.....  look the truth is l dont know much about kurdish history, all l know is u dont have enough evidence to claim anything, While i do believe u got some median blood your language is not related to it.
 

Nemrud

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Yes its true, l can agree that u are The same People as Kurds but your language Being iranian u belong in Iran, not assyria. Why not claim independence There? Iran is your country, Iranians is not Only Persians, There are many other iranians ethnic group. So the country Iran is for all iranians, why do u want to seperate yourself from them?
 

Nemrud

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How can you claim Sumerian descend when u got nothing with them to do, the Only thing that might be Mesopotamian is your religion, nothing else.
 

Nemrud

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Also, u are really the first time l hear Calling Sumerians iranian when Their language was not related to any other language, usyo mean doctor in Sumerian, clearly we got words in Sumerian because akkadians and Sumerian Merged and later assyrian spoken Sumerian and akkadian,  l dont believe u, u are laying While l am honest, u should be bannad because u are not reliable, and u make me confused.
 

Nemrud

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The truth is noone knows who your descendants is, some claim Mitanni, others Medes, There is just not enough evidence for Kurds. But l am not saying u are wrong but its not confirmed, so to just say it and believe it immidetaly is wrong, sure ezidis might have Mesopotamian blood or might be Mesopotamian but according to this: According to the UNCHR reports, it is disputed, even within the community, as well as among Kurds, whether Yazidis are ethnically Kurds or form a distinct ethnic group.

Its not sure Wheter u are Kurds or not, and the truth is that l believe u are Mesopotamians but not Kurds. I know u speak kurdish but u could have gotten the language from Kurds. That would also explain why u are related to assyrians,  because we are both Mesopotamians.
 

Nemrud

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Hmmm, l believe u except that Sumerians Were iranian. We are more closely related to Sumerians than u, thats a fact,  ancient assyrians even spoke Sumerian, u didnt. U are probably descendants of iranian peoples, that l agree.
 

Nemrud

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Ezidi Kurd said:
Assyrians NEVER spoke Sumerian. You have nothing to do with the 'Ubaid' Sumerians who were Aryan/NorthWest Iranian.

Assyrians speak a Semitic language. Semitic languages don't have ERGATIVITY in their grammar, while Sumerian language had. Semitic has nothing to do with Sumerian language.

But like Sumerian, also Ezdiki/Kurdish has an ergativity in its grammar.

You are related to Akkadians and not very much to Sumerians. Akkadians lived next to the Sumerians. You are only influenced by the Sumerians, but Sumerians were native Northern Mesopotamian and therefore NorthWest Iranian people. Ubaid Sumerians predate Semitic Akkadians and other Semites from Levant/Arabia.

What we know is that Ezdi Kurds are the original and purest Iranians (NorthWestern) on this planet. We also found out recenly that Ezdi Kurds are NATIVE to the Northern Mesopotamia / Ezdixan. You like it or not, these are the facts. Don't be hurt. It is what it is, life is life. This is science and this is the truth. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5669434/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5669434/ This study defeats all propaganda and fake info on Ezdi Kurds and Kurds. Ezdi Kurd are native to Northern Mesopotamia and they are NorthWest Iranian people (their auDNA as evidence). GAME OVER to all those trolls and haters of Ezdi Kurds who claimed that Ezdi Kurds evolved from Muslim Kurds, lol! We are older than Muslim Kurds and Muslims Kurds evolved from Ezdi Kurds.
Calm down man, l am not fighting u, actually the Sumerians lived in southern Mesopotamia, not Northern.
And yes, assyrians spoke akkadian and also Sumerian during the old assyrian empire, While l want to know the truth u just want to claim other Peoples history, now l am Wondering IF what u wrote is correct or not.....  And If the ancient assyrians didnt spoke Sumerian how Come we got Sumerian words on our modern language?
 

Nemrud

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Real original Sumerians lived in Northern Mesopotamian.

Show me source about that please, because i dont believe it.
 

Nemrud

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Specialists and priests usually knew some Sumerian but it was only a literary and liturgical language in Assyrian times. So assyrians knew Sumerian. Akkadian gradually replaced Sumerian as a spoken language around 2000 BC (the exact dating being subject to debate), but Sumerian continued to be used as a sacred, ceremonial, literary and scientific language in Mesopotamia until the 1st century AD.
 

Nemrud

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I dont know but l do believe yazidis are Mesopotamians, but IF its true then that would mean u deserve Kurdistan. What u wrote is not enough evidence, Only speculations.
During the 3rd millennium BC, a close cultural symbiosis developed between the Sumerians, who spoke a language isolate, and Akkadian-speakers, which included widespread bilingualism. The influence of Sumerian on Akkadian (and vice versa) is evident in all areas, from lexical borrowing on a massive scale, to syntactic, morphological, and phonological convergence.This has prompted scholars to refer to Sumerian and Akkadian in the 3rd millennium BC as a Sprachbund. So akkadians and Sumerians really mixed with eatchother, well thats what i think.
 

Nemrud

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I dont think that proved Sumerians Where iranian. But i have noticed that "race" is important for u, There is no such thing as race today, We are all homo sapiens, evolved from homo erectus, and therefore we belong to the same species. To be honest i think we might all look the same in maybe 1000 years, No kidding, because today everybody have children with everybody, whatever ethnic group he belongs to. And technology has brought as far, before it probably took weeks for someone to travel to germany from sweden, now it takes 1-2 hours, clearly we communicate better now.

But as I said that doesnt prove Sumerians were iranians.
 

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Ezidi Kurd said:
We have got Copper Age DNA from Western Iran and the auDNA of that person is full of Neolithic Iranian farmer DNA.

Sure, I have no scientific and hard evidence that Sumerians were Iranian people, I do think that Sumerians were related to Iranians because their culture was related to the cultures of the Iranian Plateau. There is a link between neolithic cultures of the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains and the Northern Mesopotamia Valley cultures. There is a lot of similarity.

If Sumerians were not Iranian, then they were most likely Anatolian.


I'm against race mixing. I don't believe in it. Just don't mix if you have a choice.

My people survied Islam for 1400 years. We didn't mix with Muslims in such a hostile area. Ezdi Kurds have still very little DNA from Arabs and Turks. We stayed 'pure' because it is forbidden according to our religion to mix with other people. When you mix, you children are not Ezdi anymore. Taue Melek forbids race mixing. If you believe in Tause Melek you don't mix. It is that simple. Because of our religion we stayed relatively 'pure'. I'm sure that as long as our religion exist we will not mix with other races for another 2000 years.

Christians, Muslims, Jews etc. mix with everybody. You can become a Jew, a Christian or a Muslim. But if your parents are not Ezdi, you can never be Ezdi. The one can't convert into the Yezidism. Yezidism is an ethno religion and because of our religion we survived as people. As long as our religion exist people of Tause Melek will stay 'pure' till the very last person. We are going to start mixing when our religion ceases to exist and than our ethnic group will vanish and will be no more.


Ezdi Kurds and Assyrians are living next to each other for at least 4000 years and still we are not mixed with each other. We both are still 2 separate groups. I don;t think it is because of the Assyrians, but it is because of the Ezdi Kurds. I'm sure that Ezdi Kurds that became Christians or Muslims mixed with Christian Assyrians or Muslim Arabs. But Muslim Arabs or Christian Assyrians can never become Yezidi. I thnk many Assyrians became Arabs, Armenians and even Muslim Kurds. But I do also believe that many other Christian people became Assyrians.

What I'm trying to say is that Assyrians are not really against race mixing, as long they are Christians. But the point is that many different races are Christian.

But there is only 1 race which is Yezidi and that is NorthWest Iranian race. And therefore Ezdi Kurds will stay for ever NorthWest Iranian. My people survived Islam for 1400 years, I'm sure my people will survive globalisation for another 2000 years.
No offense ezidi but now that l try to learn about your history i have noticed that your history and the Kurds are just speculations, noone knows your ancient history, but what they know is your are iranians and your name showed up sometimes in the Middle ages. To be honest your people need to stop speculate and try to use scientific evidence. 

My theory is that u were iranian nomads (kurd meant nomad in the Middle ages).
 

Nemrud

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In general, the relationship between Kurdish and Median are not closer than the affinities between the latter and other North Western dialects ? Baluchi, Talishi, South Caspian, Zaza, Gurani, etc.
This means There are other northwestern iranians, this might also be The descendants of The medes.
I agree that being NorthWest Iranians u might be The descendants of The medes. This guy says Gernot Windfuhr (professor of Iranian Studies) identified the Kurdish languages as Parthian, albeit with a Median substratum.

So u might be The parthians and Medes? Both Being NorthWest Iranians? But you need to investigate this further, We know we are assyrians because we have investigated it, u need more evidence.
 
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