Crusade against the Assyrian name

[Neta1991]

All Sumerians merged with all Akkadians during Sargon of Akkad's Empire. They were all considered Akkadian from then onwards. All Sumerians and Akkadains completely mixed together.

Eventually, those new Akkadians became known as Assyrians/Babylonians.

Assyrians Assyrianised Hurrians, Arameans and others. This happened before Assyria fell. Sometime after the Neo-Assyrian Empire fell (early on; I don't know exactly when), Assyrians split into two groups, West Assyrians and East Assyrians.

So thats why this site http://www.everyculture.com/Africa-Middle-East/Assyrians.html says that: Ancient Assyrians were inhabitants of one the world's earliest civilizations, Mesopotamia, which began to emerge around 3500 B . C . The Assyrians invented the world's first written language and the 360-degree circle, established Hammurabi's code of law, and are credited with many other military, artistic, and architectural achievements.

Because clearly it wasnt the ancient assyrians who created the worlds first written language,  it was the sumerians,  but due to the fact that the sumerians were ancient assyrians ancestors and ours of course, we can say the ancient assyrians (our ancestors) created the world first written language etc, same thing with hammurabi law, it was the babylonians but they being the same people it doesn't matter. We are the only ancestors of the Sumerians, akkadians, hurrians and maybe arameans,  because they mixed with each other through history. Sumerians and Akkadians mixed and became Akkadians,  akkadians became assyrians and Babylonians, Aramaeans and many others became Assyrianised and became assyrians and mixed etc. I think l understand but you think l dont, you are clearly saying what l am written. There might be other descendants of Sumerians etc but they have been arabized and are arabs now.

Btw that you wrote about west Assyrians and East Assyrians might be wrong, because they must have been began being separated in the very beginning of Christianity,  due to the fact they living in different empires, we west Assyrians living in roman empire,  you east assyrians living in persian empire.

We the modern Assyrians created the world first written language and many others things because they(sumerians, akkadians etc) are our ancestors.

 

[Neta1991]

Now l know, if this is correct then quote it and say yes! We are the ancestors of the ancient assyrians but because the ancient assyrians being ancestors of other people (sumerians etc)and because ancient assyrians mixed with arameans etc, then they(arameans,  sumerians etc) is also our ancestors,  because they became assyrians, therefore we modern Assyrians created the world first written language etc.

 

[member 326969 Global]

We are the only ancestors of the Sumerians, akkadians, hurrians and maybe arameans,  because they mixed with each other through history.

Neta, now your right track except here where you've mixed the word "descendants" with "ancestors". Ancestors come before; descendants come after. A father is the ancestor of his son; a son is the descendant of his father.

Reread what you just wrote, I reckon you had the right intention but used the wrong word. If that's the case, you ought to edit it.

There might be other descendants of Sumerians etc but they have been arabized and are arabs now.

No, this is not the case at all. The closest relation that Arabs have to Sumerians is that some Assyrians became Arabised much later on in history.

Now l know, if this is correct then quote it and say yes! We are the ancestors of the ancient assyrians but because the ancient assyrians being ancestors of other people (sumerians etc)and because ancient assyrians mixed with arameans etc, then they(arameans,  sumerians etc) is also our ancestors,  because they became assyrians, therefore we modern Assyrians created the world first written language etc.

This is true except the part where you said "the ancient assyrians being ancestors of other people (sumerians etc)". Once again, I think you meant to say, "descendants" instead of "ancestors". Also, it is better to say that "the Sumerian ancestors of modern Assyrians invented the first written language". -That way you state the clearest and most accurate information.

 

[Neta1991]

Neta, now your right track except here where you've mixed the word "descendants" with "ancestors". Ancestors come before; descendants come after. A father is the ancestor of his son; a son is the descendant of his father.

Reread what you just wrote, I reckon you had the right intention but used the wrong word. If that's the case, you ought to edit it.


No, this is not the case at all. The closest relation that Arabs have to Sumerians is that some Assyrians became Arabised much later on in history.

This is true except the part where you said "the ancient assyrians being ancestors of other people (sumerians etc)". Once again, I think you meant to say, "descendants" instead of "ancestors". Also, it is better to say that "the Sumerian ancestors of modern Assyrians invented the first written language". -That way you state the clearest and most accurate information.

Sharukinu, l am sorry for not responding, l was busy, but isnt we modern Assyrians, because sumerians and akkadians created the ancient assyrians,  and therefore sumerians and akkadians are "we", and because sumerians and akkadians created the ancient babylonians, which means that the ancient babylonians are also "we", ancient babylonians being the same people as ancient assyrians, and because they(arameans,hurrians etc) became Assyrianised and became ancient assyrians, and therefore its also "we". They (sumerians, ancient Aramaeans etc) belong to our people,  the modern Assyrians (suroyo,suraya).

I think that we have the most connection to the ancient assyrians, but because the sumerians and akkadians created the ancient assyrians "we" are also the Sumerians and akkadians, and the arameans etc, is this correct?

Ps, when l say "we" l mean modern Assyrians (suroyo,suraya)

 

[member 326969 Global]

Sharukinu, l am sorry for not responding, l was busy, but isnt we modern Assyrians, because sumerians and akkadians created the ancient assyrians,  and therefore sumerians and akkadians are "we", and because sumerians and akkadians created the ancient babylonians, which means that the ancient babylonians are also "we", ancient babylonians being the same people as ancient assyrians, and because they(arameans,hurrians etc) became Assyrianised and became ancient assyrians, and therefore its also "we". They (sumerians, ancient Aramaeans etc) belong to our people,  the modern Assyrians (suroyo,suraya).

I think that we have the most connection to the ancient assyrians, but because the sumerians and akkadians created the ancient assyrians "we" are also the Sumerians and akkadians, and the arameans etc, is this correct?

Ps, when l say "we" l mean modern Assyrians (suroyo,suraya)

Yes. This is true however, by having various ancestors, we have a little bit of genes from each. The more races we derive from, the less we become likely to reflect any particular one of them. On the other hand, all these populations that we're discussing already mixed by the Neo-Assyrian Empire at the latest. That means that even 2600 years ago, most of our ancestors were Assyrian citizens who had this mixed ancestry.

 

[Neta1991]

Yes. This is true however, by having various ancestors, we have a little bit of genes from each. The more races we derive from, the less we become likely to reflect any particular one of them. On the other hand, all these populations that we're discussing already mixed by the Neo-Assyrian Empire at the latest. That means that even 2600 years ago, most of our ancestors were Assyrian citizens who had this mixed ancestry.

But is it true that we have the most connection to the ancient assyrian history? Also the Akkadian, sumerian, Aramean etc history,  but the most connection to the ancient assyrian history?

 

[member 326969 Global]

But is it true that we have the most connection to the ancient assyrian history? Also the Akkadian, sumerian, Aramean etc history,  but the most connection to the ancient assyrian history?

By descending from the citizens of the Neo-Assyrian Empire, we are ultimately descended from the rest.

 

[ASHOOR]

In the beginning of December 2016, the Assyrian professor Efrem Yildiz was invited to the Assyro-Chaldean club in Mechelen, Belgium, to lecture about Assyrian identity, especially the different names within the Assyrian people. The club is inside the building of the Chaldean church in the city. When Patriarch Louis Sako heard about the lecture, he ordered the local priests to boycott it and to tell their congregation not to attend. However, about a hundred members of the club did attend, because Prof. Yildiz is an appreciated scholar who knows many of them personally. The reason Patriarch Saco tried to stop the lecture may have been a letter of Prof. Yildiz to him last year when Patriarch Sako established a Chaldean League in Paris, where he denounces any connection to the Assyrians.He also wonders how a Chaldean patriarch would like to create a Chaldean nation in Nineveh ? the heartland of Ashur.

Prof. Yildiz is determined to reject such divisive acts whoever is committing them. He is a member of Chaldean Catholic church of Babylon and urges Assyrian cleric not to interfere in politics, because this has harmed the Assyrian Nation in the past, he says from his office in the University of Salamanca, Spain, where he holds the professur in Semitic languages.


Source: assyriaTV.org

 

[member 326969 Global]

^Thanks for the info, Ashoor. It's a shame how the actions of a few ignorant/selfish leaders can harm the Assyrian community at large and keep us divided into religious sects.

 

[Nemrud]

Michael the Great is The Only one saying we are assyrians, is There anyone else in our community that said it? Someone living in ancient times

 

[Nimrod91]

Its funny that you lie some times, ephrem the syrian and michael the great and many other ancient priests and ancient people clearly said we are arameans, i see myself as aramean and assyrian, but mostly assyrian because we speak east aramaic and come from assyria, and syria being derived from assyria. I know that ancient people said we are assyrians too, so you dont need to mention that.

 

[Nimrod91]

I have one question, how sure are you that syriac orthodox members of the past and today are mainly assyrian, when l talked to svante lundgren and author about ancient and modern assyrians he said " Are the suryoye Assyrians or Aramaens? I would say both. They certainly have their origins in the ancient Assyrian Empire and there is definitely an Aramaen element in their tradition.", so maybe suryoye are assyrians that have been influenced by arameans and the same about suryaye? Of all the church fathers of the past before 1800 ad they all said we are arameans, ephraim the syrian, and many others, on exception is michael the great who said we are both aramean and assyrian. I don't know about this subject because it's complicated, should we trust our church fathers? Why would mor afrem call himself and his people arameans? was he an aramean, are syriacs arameans, how can you be so sure that we are assyrians? maybe we are both? there are so many questiions that l don't know, when l talk to a syriac-aramean he says about what other people called us and they called us arameans and assyrians throughout time, and what our church fathers called us in ancient times, and they called us arameans, especially the syriac orthodox church churchfathers. I am trying to be neutral as much as possible but i don't know about this, l am just here to find help and don't know anyone who are expert in this subject. I am asking for help so to make me understand this better......