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JLB

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A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was for distribution of all wealth.

She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, which she expressed openly. One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs.

Based on the lectures that she had participated in and the occasional chat with a professor she felt that for years her father had obviously harbored an evil, even selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.

He stopped her and asked her point blank, how she was doing in school. She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she studied all the time and never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your good friend Mary doing?"

She replied, "Mary is barely getting by." She continued, "She barely has a 2.0 GPA," adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies." "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's Office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by her father's suggestion angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."


 

Dalida

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The rich and the big corporations are going to be less rich if they pay a little bit more taxes. I don’t see what the big deal is? I think social programs are important in a country. America’s social programs are almost non existing from what I hear.

Not all people who need social help are like the girl in your little story. Some of them work hard but they still can’t get basic health care or get a chance to go to good school in the area. Nobody is saying everyone should be the same level when it comes to wealth but everyone should be able to have access to good health care and proper public schools.

Americans always take everything to the extreme. Relax you millionaires are going to lose your millions by paying a little more tax.

We have millionaires here in Canada as well and they are doing just fine.
 

John_5_24

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Dalida said:
The rich and the big corporations are going to be less rich if they pay a little bit more taxes. I don?t see what the big deal is? I think social programs are important in a country. America?s social programs are almost non existing from what I hear.

Not all people who need social help are like the girl in your little story. Some of them work hard but they still can?t get basic health care or get a chance to go to good school in the area. Nobody is saying everyone should be the same level when it comes to wealth but everyone should be able to have access to good health care and proper public schools.

Americans always take everything to the extreme. Relax you millionaires are going to lose your millions by paying a little more tax.

We have millionaires here in Canada as well and they are doing just fine.
You hear wrong.
 

khilya

New member
Dalida said:
The rich and the big corporations are going to be less rich if they pay a little bit more taxes. I don?t see what the big deal is? I think social programs are important in a country. America?s social programs are almost non existing from what I hear.

Not all people who need social help are like the girl in your little story. Some of them work hard but they still can?t get basic health care or get a chance to go to good school in the area. Nobody is saying everyone should be the same level when it comes to wealth but everyone should be able to have access to good health care and proper public schools.

Americans always take everything to the extreme. Relax you millionaires are going to lose your millions by paying a little more tax.

We have millionaires here in Canada as well and they are doing just fine.

The big and rich and corporations just pass on the taxes to the consumers, us. We just end up paying more for the crap the businesses produce because they are paying more too.  Unless we put a cap on their profits.........but that's just un-American.
 

SATANTA

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Nice.
What is posted is very true of how most people within North America are conditioned to be. This follows something called a 'hard work ethic' which was coined by Max Weber in regards to his description of the maintenance of Capitalism within the specific religion he looked at.
 

Jon

New member
DUDE!!!!

Greatest Post In AVN History! lol


I have been giving these types of examples to everyone that wants re-distribution of wealth.

"That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine" That's my favorite line. lol
 

Ashuriena

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This works for a lot of those liberal hippies that fall into liberalism like it's a fad, but that doesn't work in any other way. Liberalism isn't necessarily a call for wealth re-distribution like it's some socialist program to make everyone completely financially equal. People make it seem like the unwealthy aren't hardworking and are undeserving leeches of society. That's not necessarily true.

There are a lot of people that work very hard, get an education and often a post-graduate education only to still fall into the lower echelon of society. For example, go get your bachelors degree (make 30,000-40,000), get your masters (make 50,000-60,000) and guess what? You're still broke. Try raising a family with that money after taxes, retirement, etc. and what are you left with? Yay, $100,000 worth of education only to still be sh*t broke. Congratulations on working hard yet still getting your ass kicked in society and getting rich pompous idiots call you undeserving and not hardworking. Good job you guys.

Also, I'm a pretty staunch conservative, but let's not defend the Republican party so much. Let's be honest, none of us here are wealthy (as long as you have an income (income is measureable, wealth is not)) and the top 1% of America that are and are conservatives would drop all of us like a bomb if they could. They don't give a flying f*** about us.
 

jacob

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Ashuriena said:
This works for a lot of those liberal hippies that fall into liberalism like it's a fad, but that doesn't work in any other way. Liberalism isn't necessarily a call for wealth re-distribution like it's some socialist program to make everyone completely financially equal. People make it seem like the unwealthy aren't hardworking and are undeserving leeches of society. That's not necessarily true.

There are a lot of people that work very hard, get an education and often a post-graduate education only to still fall into the lower echelon of society. For example, go get your bachelors degree (make 30,000-40,000), get your masters (make 50,000-60,000) and guess what? You're still broke. Try raising a family with that money after taxes, retirement, etc. and what are you left with? Yay, $100,000 worth of education only to still be sh*t broke. Congratulations on working hard yet still getting your ass kicked in society and getting rich pompous idiots call you undeserving and not hardworking. Good job you guys.

Also, I'm a pretty staunch conservative, but let's not defend the Republican party so much. Let's be honest, none of us here are wealthy (as long as you have an income (income is measureable, wealth is not)) and the top 1% of America that are and are conservatives would drop all of us like a bomb if they could. They don't give a flying f*** about us.

Yeah what she said.
 

Hookah

New member
JLB said:
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was for distribution of all wealth.

She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, which she expressed openly. One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs.

Based on the lectures that she had participated in and the occasional chat with a professor she felt that for years her father had obviously harbored an evil, even selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.

He stopped her and asked her point blank, how she was doing in school. She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she studied all the time and never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your good friend Mary doing?"

She replied, "Mary is barely getting by." She continued, "She barely has a 2.0 GPA," adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies." "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's Office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by her father's suggestion angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

That's only the first part of the story.

After the young woman graduated college she became a teacher, which while was very fulfilling didn't pay very much and she met a nice young man, who happened to be an engineer.  He was educated and hardworking, much like her father.  Her father liked him so much that he got him a job with his friend's engineering firm and introduced him to his financial manager, who helped the happy young couple buy a home and set aside money for the future.

Then one day the young man came home and told his wife he had some bad news.  Apparently the engineering firm he was working at was being being investigated for a severe lax in safety and irregularity in its finances. His plant was being shut down and moved to mexico. And since there was no union to help the workers fight the move, his job, pension, and health insurance were now gone.

Misty eyed, the young woman said she had bad news as well.  The interest-only adjustable rate mortgage that her dad's financial manger had obtained for them had adjusted and she had received a letter informing them that their mortgage payment was going to triple.  In addition, it turns out that the financial manager was also stealing money from his customers via a giant ponzi scheme so all of their savings were wiped out as well.

After a week of shock and panic the couple decided to swallow their pride and go down to their public assistance office.  And to her surprise, the young woman saw Mary, working at the office.  Apparently after college Mary had become a social worker and liaison for the state public assistance office. Mary then proceeded to help her old college friend fill out the proper paperwork to apply for the newly formed program that assisted homeowners and their banks to restructure mortgages in a way that allowed people to keep their houses and for the banks to keep getting paid.  Then she helped her friend's husband enroll in a job placement program that was designed to help talented out of work professionals meet with local business owners looking to hire.


Afterwards, they all went out to dinner.  The young woman decided to call her father, to check in on him.  The illegal mexican housekeeper answered the phone and informed the woman that her father was in the cayman islands on "vacation" and was definitely not there because he was being investigated by the IRS for tax evasion.
 

Dalida

New member
Ashuriena said:
This works for a lot of those liberal hippies that fall into liberalism like it's a fad, but that doesn't work in any other way. Liberalism isn't necessarily a call for wealth re-distribution like it's some socialist program to make everyone completely financially equal. People make it seem like the unwealthy aren't hardworking and are undeserving leeches of society. That's not necessarily true.

There are a lot of people that work very hard, get an education and often a post-graduate education only to still fall into the lower echelon of society. For example, go get your bachelors degree (make 30,000-40,000), get your masters (make 50,000-60,000) and guess what? You're still broke. Try raising a family with that money after taxes, retirement, etc. and what are you left with? Yay, $100,000 worth of education only to still be sh*t broke. Congratulations on working hard yet still getting your ass kicked in society and getting rich pompous idiots call you undeserving and not hardworking. Good job you guys.

Also, I'm a pretty staunch conservative, but let's not defend the Republican party so much. Let's be honest, none of us here are wealthy (as long as you have an income (income is measureable, wealth is not)) and the top 1% of America that are and are conservatives would drop all of us like a bomb if they could. They don't give a flying f*** about us.

Thank you.

Hookah said:
That's only the first part of the story.

After the young woman graduated college she became a teacher, which while was very fulfilling didn't pay very much and she met a nice young man, who happened to be an engineer.  He was educated and hardworking, much like her father.  Her father liked him so much that he got him a job with his friend's engineering firm and introduced him to his financial manager, who helped the happy young couple buy a home and set aside money for the future.

Then one day the young man came home and told his wife he had some bad news.  Apparently the engineering firm he was working at was being being investigated for a severe lax in safety and irregularity in its finances. His plant was being shut down and moved to mexico. And since there was no union to help the workers fight the move, his job, pension, and health insurance were now gone.

Misty eyed, the young woman said she had bad news as well.  The interest-only adjustable rate mortgage that her dad's financial manger had obtained for them had adjusted and she had received a letter informing them that their mortgage payment was going to triple.  In addition, it turns out that the financial manager was also stealing money from his customers via a giant ponzi scheme so all of their savings were wiped out as well.

After a week of shock and panic the couple decided to swallow their pride and go down to their public assistance office.  And to her surprise, the young woman saw Mary, working at the office.  Apparently after college Mary had become a social worker and liaison for the state public assistance office. Mary then proceeded to help her old college friend fill out the proper paperwork to apply for the newly formed program that assisted homeowners and their banks to restructure mortgages in a way that allowed people to keep their houses and for the banks to keep getting paid.  Then she helped her friend's husband enroll in a job placement program that was designed to help talented out of work professionals meet with local business owners looking to hire.


Afterwards, they all went out to dinner.  The young woman decided to call her father, to check in on him.  The illegal mexican housekeeper answered the phone and informed the woman that her father was in the cayman islands on "vacation" and was definitely not there because he was being investigated by the IRS for tax evasion.

Thanks for finishing the story. You did a great job.
 

Dudemeister

New member
Both parts together made it a nice story.  One without the other, not so good.

Kind of like our market system (Europe-wise)  :clap:
 
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