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Are you as an Assyrian for or against Kurdish referendum in Iraq .

Are you as an Assyrian FOR or AGAINST Kurdistan referendum

  • Totally against the Kurdish referendum

    Votes: 9 69.2%
  • For Kurdish referendum

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • I simply do not care and will not vote

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13

Etain

Member
mrzurnaci said:
My dad always says that all Assyrians (and other Christians) should leave the Middle East so there's nobody in between for Muslims to kill each other.
with all due respect,
STUPID

Assyrian survived caliphates,the ottoman empire, the persians.But nothing did more damage than US intervention in the middle east.
 

mrzurnaci

New member
Etain said:
with all due respect,
STUPID

Assyrian survived caliphates,the ottoman empire, the persians.But nothing did more damage than US intervention in the middle east.
damage no. Assyrians made up alot of Iraq's middle class, so they had money to simply leave then possibly come back if Iraq becomes more safe but it's more likely that Iraq will not be safe for a long time.

Secondly, it's like I said. even if all Assyrians left, the land will still be there and we Assyrians can always go back. I mean Assyrians outside the Middle East don't have the stupid mentality that endorses selfishness, irrationality, and stubbornness. Some Assyrians may still have it but Assyrians outside the Middle East don't have much of that mentality to the point where it becomes self destructive.

If Kurds want their Kurdistan, go ahead but don't complain if it turns bad and the USA backstabs you for disobeying their orders.

Being a western puppet isn't free and comes at a high cost that I hope Kurds are willing and able to pay.
 

nejepnerast

New member
mrzurnaci said:
at least the kurdistan off iraq would make a great deportation destination for Kurds living in Turkey. Don't think the Turkish government won't do that either...
As you might notice southern kurdistan is already open to kurds from all part of kurdistan who work and live there , so i failed to see your point . Are you saying that turkey will deport 30 million plus kurd to iraqi kurdistan ?

mrzurnaci said:
Kind of an ignorant statement, what would Iraq, Iran, or Turkey gain from fighting Kurds other than to maintain borders?
War is EXPENSIVE, it's a stupid idea to go to war unless you're going to get something out of it. USA goes to war to protect its interests that keep it as the worlds most powerful nation.
Turkey and iran and iraq will not invade southren kurdistan even if it declare independce now . The tragidies the kurds faced in the past emboldened them and they are ready for a war knowing their enemies can never win  . Add to that the international community will never allow it to happen . Even Closing the boarder and starving them is not an option either because it will totally destabilize their countries too and will put their kurds against them . Frankly i do not see any sc?nario where kurds could lose , because no matter what happen it will be a step forward .

mrzurnaci said:
Hell, the war against ISIS has already drained alot of the KRGs money itself if you haven't noticed already. you gotta pay for soldiers OR are you telling me young kurdish men completely risked their life for no reward or pay? I doubt that considering Middle Eastern mentality would make them money hungry.
being a peshmerga in kurdistan is compared to being a holy man  :), Notice in restaurants their bill is always paid for in advance by customers and restaurant owners who refuse to take their money  .
Kurds having been fighting for FREE for decades . If KRG open the door for enlisting in new peshmerga forces they could easily enlist a million young kurds form other parts of kurdistan within weeks , but they do not need that .Money has never been a priority for kurds and if it was they would have put their head down and continue receiving billions that baghdad was sending to them . 

mrzurnaci said:
There is no road, it'd be impossible for "complete" liberation
You seriously believe that the Middle East, let alone the rest of the world, would allow for a complete Kurdistan? There's a good reason why the Arab states are broken up and one reason is to keep them weak. Secondly, you can't always keep the mullahs and religious fanatics, they're like cancer. They'll grow as they only need a moment of weakness... This wouldn't be an issue though if you de-Islamized the KRG however... But as soon as you de-Islamize, the Middle East will grow colder to your "kuffar" nation.
I have always maintained that One Kurdistan would not be possible due to deep ideological differences among kurdish entities . 2 or 3 would be more logical  .
agreed about the danger of islam which is like a swing . The harder you push it away the harder is comes back at you and iran is a good example . Maintaining a balance would do the trick and it worked for many nations .

mrzurnaci said:
My dad always says that all Assyrians (and other Christians) should leave the Middle East so there's nobody in between for Muslims to kill each other.
Your dad is wrong . They can kill eaCHother just fine with you between them , hell they enlist you now in their fights . Did you hear about NPU VS BB ?

mrzurnaci said:
Assyrians like me can always return back when it's actually safe. It seems like it'd be easier for me to make an autonomous Assyrian state in Europe or even the USA.
Sucks we have to leave the homeland we were born from but the land will always be there.
Stay safe and see what will be left when you feel safe going back .

mrzurnaci said:

beige area was Assyrian population in 1000 AD, green is now
is this suppose to mean something ?
I do not see what you see , I see that assyrian went on killing everyone who oppose them  until they took control of this land in 1000 ad to call it assyria and call all the population assyrian . The ottoman are proud of their achievements too and they had bigger territories .
 

mrzurnaci

New member
nejepnerast said:
As you might notice southern kurdistan is already open to kurds from all part of kurdistan who work and live there , so i failed to see your point . Are you saying that turkey will deport 30 million plus kurd to iraqi kurdistan ?
No, I'm saying Turkey can start a war against their Kurdish population and then run a propaganda campaign to convince them to migrate to KRG.

nejepnerast said:
Turkey and iran and iraq will not invade southren kurdistan even if it declare independce now . The tragidies the kurds faced in the past emboldened them and they are ready for a war knowing their enemies can never win  . Add to that the international community will never allow it to happen . Even Closing the boarder and starving them is not an option either because it will totally destabilize their countries too and will put their kurds against them . Frankly i do not see any sc?nario where kurds could lose , because no matter what happen it will be a step forward .
Again, what would any of the countries gain from attacking the KRG? Iraq would probably do it in a bid to regain the oil fields of Kirkuk but other than that, there's no real gain. You're making it seem like Arabs, Iran, and Turkey have some ingrained hate towards Kurds. From experience, no humans naturally hate others unless they were wronged by them.

nejepnerast said:
being a peshmerga in kurdistan is compared to being a holy man  :), Notice in restaurants their bill is always paid for in advance by customers and restaurant owners who refuse to take their money  .
Kurds having been fighting for FREE for decades . If KRG open the door for enlisting in new peshmerga forces they could easily enlist a million young kurds form other parts of kurdistan within weeks , but they do not need that .Money has never been a priority for kurds and if it was they would have put their head down and continue receiving billions that baghdad was sending to them . 
I don't believe your propaganda considering KRG's Peshmerga are divided between the KDP and the PUK. Then there's the PKK and PJAK. PJAK, PKK, and the PUK all serve under the Kurdistan Communities Union.

Also, most of the Kurdish population lives in Turkey so those million younglings would most likely be from Turkey.


nejepnerast said:
I have always maintained that One Kurdistan would not be possible due to deep ideological differences among kurdish entities . 2 or 3 would be more logical  .
agreed about the danger of islam which is like a swing . The harder you push it away the harder is comes back at you and iran is a good example . Maintaining a balance would do the trick and it worked for many nations .
One Kurdistan is not impossible but it'll come at a very high cost which political enemies could take advantage of: Civil War. To have one country, the territory has to be united under one government by that governments loyal forces. This means one Kurdish government would have to fight the others and gain credibility from their populations.

nejepnerast said:
Your dad is wrong . They can kill eaCHother just fine with you between them , hell they enlist you now in their fights . Did you hear about NPU VS BB ?
NPU vs BB is old news and it's been settled, the issue was a few members of BB were trying to loot and the NPU stopped them.


nejepnerast said:
Stay safe and see what will be left when you feel safe going back .
Safety? In Muslim countries? That's hilarious.


nejepnerast said:
is this suppose to mean something ?
I do not see what you see , I see that assyrian went on killing everyone who oppose them  until they took control of this land in 1000 ad to call it assyria and call all the population assyrian.
Well you're blind then because the colors represents Aramaic speakers. The orange was Aramaic spread during Persian empires. the Beige color (1000 CE) in Mesopotamia clearly shows the Assyrian population back 1000 years ago. The Green color in Mesopotamia is now.

Sharaf Khan Bidlisi even acknowledged over 1,000 years ago that Northern Iraq was Assyrian. If Islam didn't exist, Kurdistan would've been entirely inside Iran and Azerbaijan, practicing Zoroastrianism.
 

nejepnerast

New member
mrzurnaci said:
No, I'm saying Turkey can start a war against their Kurdish population and then run a propaganda campaign to convince them to migrate to KRG.
You are making very little sense today . So turkey would start a war against their krudish population ? you think turkey is not at war with kurds ? and then use Propaganda ? lol to convince ? lol

mrzurnaci said:
Again, what would any of the countries gain from attacking the KRG? Iraq would probably do it in a bid to regain the oil fields of Kirkuk but other than that, there's no real gain. You're making it seem like Arabs, Iran, and Turkey have some ingrained hate towards Kurds. From experience, no humans naturally hate others unless they were wronged by them.
at least we agree that there will not be war .

mrzurnaci said:
I don't believe your propaganda considering KRG's Peshmerga are divided between the KDP and the PUK. Then there's the PKK and PJAK. PJAK, PKK, and the PUK all serve under the Kurdistan Communities Union. Also, most of the Kurdish population lives in Turkey so those million younglings would most likely be from Turkey.
You obviously know very little about kurdistan , so i will not force my views .

mrzurnaci said:
One Kurdistan is not impossible but it'll come at a very high cost which political enemies could take advantage of: Civil War. To have one country, the territory has to be united under one government by that governments loyal forces. This means one Kurdish government would have to fight the others and gain credibility from their populations.
look at you , you are more optimistic about the future than me  , but it is contradictory to your earlier statement . "There is no road, it'd be impossible for "complete" liberation"


mrzurnaci said:
NPU vs BB is old news and it's been settled, the issue was a few members of BB were trying to loot and the NPU stopped them Safety?
The tension is high between the two groups and both are part of Hashd alshabi , so they take their orders from shias . What were they looting ?



mrzurnaci said:
Well you're blind then because the colors represents Aramaic speakers. The orange was Aramaic spread during Persian empires. the Beige color (1000 CE) in Mesopotamia clearly shows the Assyrian population back 1000 years ago. The Green color in Mesopotamia is now.
Sharaf Khan Bidlisi even acknowledged over 1,000 years ago that Northern Iraq was Assyrian. If Islam didn't exist, Kurdistan would've been entirely inside Iran and Azerbaijan, practicing Zoroastrianism.
yes i get what you are trying to say , but even if what you say is truth what does it matter . ? what does it exactly give and take or do . If your people occupied all this land , I'm sure came at the expense of other nations and if there were so many of them what happened to them ? did they just vanish ? I'm very skeptical about history , it is empires built on empires on empires and everyone claim to be the first . What matter in my view is who is the last .



 

nejepnerast

New member
Ezidi Kurd said:
I'm sure that a referendum is a trap of Americans to get rid of Sunni Muslim Daesh terrorist midget Barzani and his pimp Erdogan. Barzani has no choice, because if there will be no referendum Barzani will loose his power and PKK will take over Bashur (Southern Kuridstan).

After the referendum of independent Barzanistan, Barzanistan will get a fury of the Persians. Persians will start a war against Barzanistan and the REAL Kurds are not going to help Barzani. The REAL Kurds want to see the destruction of Barzani, so REAL Kurds (Ezdi Kurds, PKK, ROjava and Bakur/Zaza Kurds) will NEVER going to help Barzanistan.

Americans are creating a war between Barzanistan and mighty Persia.


No matter what Barzani will do, he is losing. Why? Because he betrayed Kurdish Aryan race to the Turks, he betrayed the people of Bashur (Southern Kurdistan), he committed a GENOCIDE in Ezdixan. Therefore he will go down. Such horrific crimes never got unpunished. He is finished big time very, very soon! Sunni Muslims are f*cked!
The great persia hanging Pjak fighters in the streets .

Yep persians are our brothers . It is Ok if they hang few Pjak/PKK fighters . Brothers do that sometimes right ?


wait , was not persian who hanged him , Qazi mohamad ? and killed Qasimlo ? do i need to go on ?
 

Cascade

New member
nejepnerast said:
The great persia hanging Pjak fighters in the streets .

Yep persians are our brothers . It is Ok if they hang few Pjak/PKK fighters . Brothers do that sometimes right ?


wait , was not persian who hanged him , Qazi mohamad ? and killed Qasimlo ? do i need to go on ?
Thanks for these grotesque images. This is a proof that Iranians are primitive and even more barbaric than Arabs.

Something that Iranian Assyrians stubbornly refuse to fathom, and would instead pick on Arabs all the time for being more inhumane and violent.
 

nejepnerast

New member
Cascade said:
Thanks for these grotesque images. This is a proof that Iranians are primitive and even more barbaric than Arabs.

Something that Iranian Assyrians stubbornly refuse to fathom, and would instead pick on Arabs all the time for being more inhumane and violent.
Sadly Assyrian abroad are blinded by hatred and they would rather see the complete destruction of whatever left of Assyrian in kurdistan than the establishment of Kurdistan . Iran is called (The Islamic republic of Iran ) lol , might as well call it the Terrorist republic of iran .
 

Cascade

New member
nejepnerast said:
Sadly Assyrian abroad are blinded by hatred and they would rather see the complete destruction of whatever left of Assyrian in kurdistan than the establishment of Kurdistan . Iran is called (The Islamic republic of Iran ) lol , might as well call it the Terrorist republic of iran .
Sometimes I really disagree with you, but at others I'm like 100% on your side. Really funny.

Assyrians only like Iran because they recognize us. Lol. Pretty lame reason to like a country. I'm pretty sure ISIS recognizes Assyrians as peoples. Doesn't mean we should bow to them. Iran is a horrible country ruled by a holocaust-denying, Islamic barbarian. And that's that. Whether it recognizes us or not, I really don't care. They're still pernicious and inhumane.
 

nejepnerast

New member
Cascade said:
Sometimes I really disagree with you, but at others I'm like 100% on your side. Really funny.

Assyrians only like Iran because they recognize us. Lol. Pretty lame reason to like a country. I'm pretty sure ISIS recognizes Assyrians as peoples. Doesn't mean we should bow to them. Iran is a horrible country ruled by a holocaust-denying, Islamic barbarian. And that's that. Whether it recognizes us or not, I really don't care. They're still pernicious and inhumane.
I'm a true believer that what we do makes us who we are , not our religion or nationality . Assyrian abroad are doing a terrible job . Instead of focusing on the Assyrian future back home  they are busy on a crusade against the kurd which will get them nothing . I'm from Dohuk and if you go to down town and tell everyone you meet that you are Assyrian , people will look at you like you have a mental issue , because no one cares about these things . Hold the Assyrian flag and walk in the market and I promise no one will touch you . Go built an assyrian school and you will get funding from the government . Go make a political party or establish humanitarian organization for Assyrian and you will not hear a beep from Anyone .  Majority of Kurds are beyond this non sense and they want to go forward , now off course you will find ultra nationalist kurds here and there , but they are rejected by the society and have no power .
 

Cascade

New member
nejepnerast said:
I'm a true believer that what we do makes us who we are , not our religion or nationality . Assyrian abroad are doing a terrible job . Instead of focusing on the Assyrian future back home  they are busy on a crusade against the kurd which will get them nothing . I'm from Dohuk and if you go to down town and tell everyone you meet that you are Assyrian , people will look at you like you have a mental issue , because no one cares about these things . Hold the Assyrian flag and walk in the market and I promise no one will touch you . Go built an assyrian school and you will get funding from the government . Go make a political party or establish humanitarian organization for Assyrian and you will not hear a beep from Anyone .  Majority of Kurds are beyond this non sense and they want to go forward , now off course you will find ultra nationalist kurds here and there , but they are rejected by the society and have no power.
You know what? I agree with you again. Assyrians have taken their Kurdish hatred too far. Let the Kurds have a country. The Romans took our lands before, as did the Mongols, Persians and now Arabs. So it's left for Kurds? We're still living anyway. And also, we are living in the west. It won't affect us. Maybe if we all stayed in the homeland we could have gotten recognition? But no, we cowered and ran way from Assyria. So these protesters are not being useful at all. They should go to the homeland and do that.

Plus, there are Assyrians living in Iraqi Kurdistan who are for the Kurdish referendum. They know that being independent from Iraq will make their lives there more prosperous and richer. Let's fact it, Iraq has gone down the drain. Most people in Baghdad desperately want to move it (and some of them did a decade ago after the way, when they moved to Duhok).

With that being said, there are anti-Assyrian Kurdish dogs who need an ass beating. Lol. But let's not be too vehement and belligerent towards Kurds. It won't get us anywhere.
 

Nemrud

New member
The kurds are not smart, most of them anyways, no offense to kurds. Their genetics are bad, we assyrians are also not that smart but smarter than the kurds anyways. I really havent seen one smart kurd, ever. All l met were stupid and got no education haha
 

mrzurnaci

New member
Nemrud said:
The kurds are not smart, most of them anyways, no offense to kurds. Their genetics are bad, we assyrians are also not that smart but smarter than the kurds anyways. I really havent seen one smart kurd, ever. All l met were stupid and got no education haha
They can thank Islam for that.
 

KingA

New member
Nemrud said:
And genetics

What is the connection between genetics and being civilised peole??
Honestly, I dont know what makes us feel we are smarter or better than Kurds or Arabs. Do we have any nobel winners in science?? Do we have better living stadard cities and villages than Kurds or Arabs?

What our ancestors developed and invented was really impressive. We are not doing anything imressive now.
 

Nemrud

New member
KingA said:
What is the connection between genetics and being civilised peole??
Honestly, I dont know what makes us feel we are smarter or better than Kurds or Arabs. Do we have any nobel winners in science?? Do we have better living stadard cities and villages than Kurds or Arabs?

What our ancestors developed and invented was really impressive. We are not doing anything imressive now.
"Genes we are born with account for more than half the differences in intelligence between people, a study has shown.

The new findings will fuel the 'nature versus nurture' debate over what makes us clever or dumb.

As well as genes, environmental factors such as parenting, nutrition and exposure to chemicals in the womb are also thought to have a significant effect."

No, genes are important for intelligence as these scientists claim. Our genes is really bad, we are weak as people, the kurds being 30 -50 million people hasnt got any famous man or women at all winning anything, or doing anything good beside war, that shows that their genes sucks. Our genes are also bad, no wonder we were mostly warlike people during the ancient assyrians, and not doing anything impressive since we became christians lol.

And remember we are so weak that we werent able to get a country for thousands of years lol no offense to other assyrians but l am not talking to individual assyrian because he might be intelligent, l am talking about all the assyrians put together.

And what about the kurds lol, they have never been able to get a country, if they are the descendants of the medes then they did have something, but what did the medes do? nothing, they sucks as well.
 

Nemrud

New member
KingA said:
What is the connection between genetics and being civilised peole??
Honestly, I dont know what makes us feel we are smarter or better than Kurds or Arabs. Do we have any nobel winners in science?? Do we have better living stadard cities and villages than Kurds or Arabs?

What our ancestors developed and invented was really impressive. We are not doing anything imressive now.
Atleast we are not trying to claim other peoples history and being bad towards other people like the kurds.
 
I agree with KingA.

We cannot act like we are far superior than other people. Nemrud you are basing your claims on your subjective opinion and no factual evidence. How do you know that our genes, or the genes of Kurds or Arabs are "bad"? You seem to be basing your ideas on the historic achievements of a people rather than concrete evidence.

If you go to Africa for example, I'm fairly sure you will find many people who aren't as "intelligent" as other people simply due to a lack of education, their social context, culture, and environmental surroundings. The Australian Aborigines are a great example as well. The reason they didn't build huge cities and civilisation was because they didn't have to. Their way of life was never threatened by any outside force (until the Europeans came of course), there was nothing which forced their society to advance since they lived in the middle of nowhere and their society was never threatened by anyone or anything. Does that mean they were not as intelligent as others since they did not create huge cities and did not have a sophisticated or well developed concept of mathematics? Absolutely not, it's just a matter of circumstance. Human beings only advance if they need to. Maybe there is a genetic influence on intelligence to a certain extent, but you can't simply judge a people's intelligence based on their historical achievements.
 

Cascade

New member
SonOfAssyria said:
I agree with KingA.

We cannot act like we are far superior than other people. Nemrud you are basing your claims on your subjective opinion and no factual evidence. How do you know that our genes, or the genes of Kurds or Arabs are "bad"? You seem to be basing your ideas on the historic achievements of a people rather than concrete evidence.

If you go to Africa for example, I'm fairly sure you will find many people who aren't as "intelligent" as other people simply due to a lack of education, their social context, culture, and environmental surroundings. The Australian Aborigines are a great example as well. The reason they didn't build huge cities and civilisation was because they didn't have to. Their way of life was never threatened by any outside force (until the Europeans came of course), there was nothing which forced their society to advance since they lived in the middle of nowhere and their society was never threatened by anyone or anything. Does that mean they were not as intelligent as others since they did not create huge cities and did not have a sophisticated or well developed concept of mathematics? Absolutely not, it's just a matter of circumstance. Human beings only advance if they need to. Maybe there is a genetic influence on intelligence to a certain extent, but you can't simply judge a people's intelligence based on their historical achievements.
This is true to some extent. Kurds and Arabs are no more neurologically smarter or uneducated than us. And yes, historical achievements don't always correlate with an ethnic group's intelligence. The Aztecs and the Mayans were a rich and advanced society. Today, they're pretty much subpar, economically and scientifically.

However, some races do better than other races, even in western countries living in the same society. Take for instance east Asians. They mostly top in science and mathematics, with whites and blacks, respectively, coming next. When it comes to athletics, blacks usually fare better and run the fastest. There is an evolution reason to do this since in the African savannah, sprinting was vital so they can escape predators.
 
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