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Are you as an Assyrian for or against Kurdish referendum in Iraq .

Are you as an Assyrian FOR or AGAINST Kurdistan referendum

  • Totally against the Kurdish referendum

    Votes: 9 69.2%
  • For Kurdish referendum

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • I simply do not care and will not vote

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13

nejepnerast

New member
What is your opinion as an Assyrian about the Kurdish referendum happening in September this year . See the poll above
 

mrzurnaci

New member
for it. I'd a bit of a sociology enthusiast and I'm interested to see where a new generation of Kurds who've grown up post-independence would get their newest inspiration and direction from.

Most if not all of modern Kurdish political drive comes from wanting sovereignty. What would post-sovereignty drive consist of? Islamism?

All other reasons why I'm for it is classified.
 

Cascade

New member
For it.

At least they can have a country of their own as Kurdistan is becoming rather stable and becoming developed (but this is NOT to say that Kurds are perfect people). What does it matter for us? I really hate how Assyrians living and prospering in the west are getting mad that Kurds all the way in the Middle East are having a country? I mean, who friggin' cares? You're in America! Many of us want to move out from there already. Our homeland is gone now and we should accept this brutal fact. We are already prospering in the west, and many of the so-called patriotic Assyrians in the homeland are dying just to get here (literally even).

The Romans, the Persians, the Mongols and, Iraqi Arabs have all took our land, and now it's left for Kurds? Come on.
 

Nemrud

New member
I dont mind but l dont want them to take the nineveh plains from us, its our only land left. I also want them to have religious freedom, more like the west.
 

Crocodile Bani

Active member
I am against.

Reason 1.  It will complete the wiping out of Assyrian influence in the region.  Everybody other than Assyrians will be represented in the region.  As an Assyrian, it smells of official defeat.

Reason 2.  Having a Kurdistan will create more turmoil in the region as there are too many countries around "Kurdistan" who don't like the Kurds merely for being Kurds.  As if there isn't enough turmoil in the Middle East, this will create more problems.  And when there are problems in the Middle East, we all knows which countries always profit from it.  Being an anti-Imperialist/anti-Wahhabist/anti-Zionist, I am concerned about who really gains in the long term from a Kurdistan.  The Kurds are just pawns (just like Assyrians for many years) for imperialists.
 

nejepnerast

New member
I certainly respect everyones opinion even if they are against the independent of Kurdistan and there are certainly valid concerns , but Iraq is radicalized completely and the conflict between shia and sunna will last another 100 years if not more . The minorities will continue being the victims of such conflict which creates a perfect ground for continued migration of Assyrian to the west . No one certainly would wants live in a region where there is explosions on daily basis .
Secondly what possible rights can Assyrian secure with Iraq ? would Assyrian secure any form of autonomy within iraq ? 
 

Cascade

New member
If anything, Kurdistan can be its own nation with Assyrians having a small autonomous region (the Nineveh Plains).
 

mrzurnaci

New member
Cascade said:
If anything, Kurdistan can be its own nation with Assyrians having a small autonomous region (the Nineveh Plains).
exactly, why do Kurds need Nineveh Plains when KRG has enough land to house millions of Kurds in and of itself? If you build up the cities and put condos and apartment complexes (not even high apartments, think 3 story apartment complex) you can house maybe 70-100 million people.
 

nejepnerast

New member
mrzurnaci said:
exactly, why do Kurds need Nineveh Plains when KRG has enough land to house millions of Kurds in and of itself? If you build up the cities and put condos and apartment complexes (not even high apartments, think 3 story apartment complex) you can house maybe 70-100 million people.
mrzurnaci . I think i did explain the social composition of Nineveh plain in a previous post , but the trend here seem to be that Nineveh plain is full of Assyrian and everyone believes that .

Assyrian are not majority in the plains and  they have the lowest number among the minorities in Nineveh plain . Assyrian vote is obvious as seen in this poll, but it is not up to them what happens in Nineveh plain .

I speak from a neutral positon , so i hope you do not get offended .
 

nejepnerast

New member
Cascade said:
If anything, Kurdistan can be its own nation with Assyrians having a small autonomous region (the Nineveh Plains).
Yes , but autonomous region within Kurdistan or Iraq ?
 

mrzurnaci

New member
nejepnerast said:
mrzurnaci . I think i did explain the social composition of Nineveh plain in a previous post , but the trend here seem to be that Nineveh plain is full of Assyrian and everyone believes that .

Assyrian are not majority in the plains and  they have the lowest number among the minorities in Nineveh plain . Assyrian vote is obvious as seen in this poll, but it is not up to them what happens in Nineveh plain .

I speak from a neutral positon , so i hope you do not get offended .
Assyrians make up 40% of the Nineveh Plains... why do you keep downplaying 40%? That's almost half the damn population.

Everybody else in the NP are Yezids, Turkmens, Shabaks, and then (Muslim) Kurds.

What percentage are Kurds in NP? Turkmens? Shabaks? Yezids?

Waht about Yezidis who want the NP to be autonomous? There's Turkmen and Shabaks who support this.

You make it sound like Kurds like yourself are intentionally being an obstacle to something Assyrians deserve for over 2600 years.

Whether you think it's wrong or not, we're gonna get autonomy eventually. we've been trying for 2600 years and we'll try for another 2600 years if necessary.
 

Nemrud

New member
What have we ever done to the kurds? The kurds have through history killed us millions of times and we didnt Do anything and when we want autonomy and accept a kurdish country still they wont allow it, they are so mean, at first l thought the Kurdish were nice muslims but how this is going l dont think they are. Everybody deserve their own country, it doesnt matter who you are, what religion you got, all. And they wont let us have a small place like the nineveh plains ffs! Probably they would kill us all if they had opportunity but they cant because other nations are watching, so they play good muslims to get a country of their own. Thats how l see it, even non muslim kurd like that guy nejer something wont allow a autonomy for assyrians, the first people in mesopotamia considering no ancient people from the past lives in todays world, we are the descendants of mesopotamias and we dammit deserve a country or autonomy!
 

nejepnerast

New member
Nemrud said:
What have we ever done to the kurds? The kurds have through history killed us millions of times and we didnt Do anything and when we want autonomy and accept a kurdish country still they wont allow it, they are so mean, at first l thought the Kurdish were nice muslims but how this is going l dont think they are. Everybody deserve their own country, it doesnt matter who you are, what religion you got, all. And they wont let us have a small place like the nineveh plains ffs! Probably they would kill us all if they had opportunity but they cant because other nations are watching, so they play good muslims to get a country of their own. Thats how l see it, even non muslim kurd like that guy nejer something wont allow a autonomy for assyrians, the first people in mesopotamia considering no ancient people from the past lives in todays world, we are the descendants of mesopotamias and we dammit deserve a country or autonomy!
Bro , Kurds is the least of your problem and kurdish politicians said over and over that they are FOR Assyrian and Chaldean autonomy and self administrations . In fact i believe that kurds wants nothing more than establishing an Assyrian state as a belt to separate them completely from arabs .

what I'm stating is just my personal opinion and I just do not see that happening considering the assyrian numbers in NP .
 

nejepnerast

New member
mrzurnaci said:
Assyrians make up 40% of the Nineveh Plains... why do you keep downplaying 40%? That's almost half the damn population.

Everybody else in the NP are Yezids, Turkmens, Shabaks, and then (Muslim) Kurds.

What percentage are Kurds in NP? Turkmens? Shabaks? Yezids?

Waht about Yezidis who want the NP to be autonomous? There's Turkmen and Shabaks who support this.

You make it sound like Kurds like yourself are intentionally being an obstacle to something Assyrians deserve for over 2600 years.

Whether you think it's wrong or not, we're gonna get autonomy eventually. we've been trying for 2600 years and we'll try for another 2600 years if necessary.
mrzurnaci , I stopped at 40%  . where did you get this number ? the entire Assyrian population in iraq ,I mean the whole iraq is by all estimate is 300-400 thousands , so how does that make 40% of NP ?
https://www.google.ca/#q=assyrian+population+in+iraq
 

mrzurnaci

New member
nejepnerast said:
mrzurnaci , I stopped at 40%  . where did you get this number ? the entire Assyrian population in iraq ,I mean the whole iraq is by all estimate is 300-400 thousands , so how does that make 40% of NP ?
https://www.google.ca/#q=assyrian+population+in+iraq
where did I get 40% from your FELLOW KURDS -> http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/24012014
"The Nineveh Plain has the largest population of Christians in Iraq. They make up around 40 percent of the population of the planned new province. They now live in a so-called disputed area: Iraqi territory that Kurdistan claims for its autonomous region."

By Judit Neurink 24/1/2014

40% is not a small number, that's almost half the damn population. 40% of NP is one people.

Here's another comparison. Lebanon is 40% Christian and 60% Muslim but the Muslim population is divided into Shi'a and Sunni (both 30%).

Also, why is it that Kurds get autonomy with the KRG when Iraqi Kurds only make up 26% of the population? From the CIA factbook, Kurds make up 15%-20% of Iraq's total population. -> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2075.html#iz

you're showing clear bias here now.
 
nejepnerast said:
Bro , Kurds is the least of your problem and kurdish politicians said over and over that they are FOR Assyrian and Chaldean autonomy and self administrations . In fact i believe that kurds wants nothing more than establishing an Assyrian state as a belt to separate them completely from arabs .

what I'm stating is just my personal opinion and I just do not see that happening considering the assyrian numbers in NP .
Kurds support Chaldean organisations because they know they are divisive and harmful to the overall Assyrian cause.

You are lying to yourself or just plain naive if you think Kurds will truly do anything for the betterment of us Assyrians.
 

nejepnerast

New member
mrzurnaci said:
where did I get 40% from your FELLOW KURDS -> http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/24012014
"The Nineveh Plain has the largest population of Christians in Iraq. They make up around 40 percent of the population of the planned new province. They now live in a so-called disputed area: Iraqi territory that Kurdistan claims for its autonomous region."

By Judit Neurink 24/1/2014

40% is not a small number, that's almost half the damn population. 40% of NP is one people.

Here's another comparison. Lebanon is 40% Christian and 60% Muslim but the Muslim population is divided into Shi'a and Sunni (both 30%).

Also, why is it that Kurds get autonomy with the KRG when Iraqi Kurds only make up 26% of the population? From the CIA factbook, Kurds make up 15%-20% of Iraq's total population. -> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2075.html#iz

you're showing clear bias here now.
Oh , Ok , so you English is bad .

It is 40% of the Planned (does not exist yet ) new province .  So this imaginary province will include the Assyrian villages and few other minorities and Assyrian population within this Planned ( does not exist yet) province will constitute 40 % .  It is not talking about assyrian being 40% of entire NP . I would be surprised if they are more than 3 % of NP . 

 

nejepnerast

New member
Mr. Tambourine Man said:
Kurds support Chaldean organisations because they know they are divisive and harmful to the overall Assyrian cause.

You are lying to yourself or just plain naive if you think Kurds will truly do anything for the betterment of us Assyrians.
I do not believe Kurds will do anything if it is not in there interest . No one does anything if it is not in there interest and this is the reality . Look at the results of the poll and tell me why would a typical kurds care about the betterment of Assyrian ? It is naive to think that kurds will do all the work and simply hand the keys to Assyrian .
 
Yes, it must be tiring and exhausting for the Kurds to steal Assyrian lands, claim Assyrian history and disseminate lies about the Assyrians. You're right, the Kurdish workload is tiresome.

Look at the polls yourself, those for the Kurdish referendum are only one behind those against it - unless of course you find one vote, or any vote, against the Kurdish referendum enough reason not to help the indigenous people of those lands. I suppose you'd want all of us to vote, better yet, fund the establishment of a Kurdish state.

Additionally, your justification is stupid. You legitimise the Kurdish funding and proliferation of the Chaldean identity because 'there is an interest there'; what you're basically saying is that the Kurds realise how advantageous it is for them to lie about a Chaldean identity because it'll prohibit the unification of Assyrians.
 
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