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A NEW WAR

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Sheik Abdul Bin Fallafel

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I don't know about you guys, but I'm kind of sick of the phrase "war on terrorism" ... it's such a vague phrase and it doesn't really convey what we really should be at war against.

Let's call it what it is.... THIS IS A WAR AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM ..... You tell the people in the Middle East we're fighting terror and they think we're full of shit because in their minds they think Israel and even the US has committed terrorist activities.... We should be very clear, we have nothing against Israel, nothing against Palestine, nothing against Lebanon, nothing against Iraq, nothing against Islam even. WE DO NOT WANT RADICAL ISLAM TO EXIST, plain and simple.

I think we need a change in strategy because clearly what we're doing is not all that effective. I'm not saying the US Policy is poor, I'm not saying our Agenda is wrong... I'm not saying reforming Iraq and bringing about a change to democracy was a bad idea. What I'm saying is we need to clearly define what we stand against and will not tolerate and make it very clear to the people in the Middle East what we're fighting.

Radical Islam is a cancer not only to us, but to the Islamic religion. We need to somehow bring to the forefront the moderate Islamic movement and propogate this throughout the Middle East. One that is loyal to government leaders, not to radical islamic clerics who justify death and murder (what kind of religion is this anyways and why do the Islamic people tolerate this?) We need to bring reform within the Islamic religion itself and eliminate hatred and violence from their teachings.

The American people need to understand what's going on here. In the past several hundred years millions of Christians and Jews and even rival sects of Islam have been killed in the name of Allah. What has happened in the time of the Nazi's is happening again. People are being brainwashed into a cause where killing people based on race is justified. But now it's not only justified by their government leaders, it's justified by "GOD" (supposedly). We need to wake up the American people and make the people in the Middle East understand what the hell we're fighting for. We're not fighting to make them miserable. We're fighting to ensure freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom to elect your own government officials.

Clearly the Hezbollah leader is a radical Islamist and so is the Iranian leader because they both call for the destruction of Israel and America -- and to them this is not negotiable. There is no bargaining with them. What are you going to give these people? Money? Gold? Not even Land or Power. They want entire nations eliminated, no negotiations, no discussions. Anything short of this to them is unacceptable. And this attitude should not be acceptable to any free-thinking person in the world anywhere. I don't think the Syrian leader is a radical islamist or at least not yet. But We need to clearly define who are enemies are and why this battle needs to be fought. This is the most important thing in our lifetime we will ever be able to do for future generations, and that is to wipe out radical Islam once and for all.
 

RadRides

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Born, let's be realistic here:

Let's just sit and wait like the far left wants us to, because there really isn't a Jihad. 

Sarcasm a bit.  But I agree with you to a point. 
 
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Sheik Abdul Bin Fallafel

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By the way, my name is Yosef Adde, and I'm running for the office of President of the United States of America :)




(I wish someone would have the balls to tell the American people this).
 

Hookah

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There has to be at least one billion muslims in the world.  If you say you're declaring a war on radical islam, a vast majority of people aren't going to see the distinction and will assume its a war on all muslims.  And who is to say what's radical and what isn't?  You're saying the president of iran is radical, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but he was democratically elected.  Isn't that why there's US troops in Iraq right now?  Look at hamas, I'm sure you feel hamas is radical, yet they were democratically elected.  Hezbollah has members in the lebanese parliment. You can't just invade countries and force them to accept moderate islam, like you're showing them the light or something.  People don't need religion to teach them to be racist, hateful, and ignorant.  Just look at some of the posts on this website.


Its ok, I know its hard for you elephants to grasp the idea that all of the world's problems can't be solved by military invasion or cutting taxes.
 

RadRides

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Hooka, it's usually out of fear that moderate Islamists don't speak up.  It seems that about more than 15% support these radical groups and perhaps another small percentage are not speaking up.  That's a scary thought considering 1 billion people are Muslim.  That's half the size of the U.S. who openly support radical Islam.  I am not for going on just blowing things up, but if these men were truly "democractically" elected, then why are so many people quieted.  Remember, 60% of the population in Iran are moderate youths who opposed the Mullahs, yet the President is for the Mullahs.  It's a scary thought of what radical Islam is capable of and how many people they have reached around the globe spreading their propagande against the West. 
 

Hookah

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Do the moderates keep quiet because they are afraid, or because they tacitly approve but are smart enough not to wrap themselves up like ninjas and go on tv with a beaten up russian made ak-47 that they got from some ukranian garage sale?  You know why these radical islamists control their countries? Because the US and European governments allow it to happen.  They allow tyranical leaders to control the countries and to stay in power these tyrants keep the radicals in their back yard happy by supplying them with money and support.  The western governments see it as a trade off for having people that they have some kind of control over at the head of these countries.  Look at saudi arabia, their government is a "friend" to our government, yet they're some of the biggest supporters of radical islam.  I know you o'reiley lovers are sick of hearing about it but its all about oil my friend.  If you had open, democratic elections in every muslim country tomorrow, you'd have WWIII in a by the middle of next week.
 

RadRides

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I don't love O'Reilly, but I agree with his balanced views.  On the Saudi issue, I totally agree.  It's a shame how the U.S. and other western nations have relied so heavily on foreign oil even though our leaders suspect them of wrong doing.  We put ourselves in that position 30 years ago and I think we have dug our own graves.  You have to admit, our foreign policy 30 years ago is somewhat 180 degrees of what it is today, due to the fact of 9/11, London Bombings, Madrid, Bali, the list goes on and on.  But like I said, we have dug our own graves with this one and it's getting ever more difficult to climb out. 
 

Free_Assyria

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Above all you know what sounds so stupid
Is when Mr Bush says "war on terror"

How can you declare war on a human emotion? What a tool.
 

ASHOOR

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Great topic.

I will say this for now: what America is doing in the war on terror is great. I may not agree with the way they are doing it, but that is for another discussion.

If September 11 hadn't happened and if the US hadn't launched its war on terror and radical Islam, this virus would spread and could have taken over the world in a century or so from now. ?The US learns from history and they know that just like Muhamad created a religion and convered millions, this new wave of radical Islam could double the number of Muslims and eventually dominate earth.

I think of it more in terms of a religious plan rather than a political one, since Islam doesn't seperate state from religion.



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Sheik Abdul Bin Fallafel

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Hookah, do you really think Saudi Arabia continues to support radical islam now? No doubt they once had their hands in this however I think the last thing they want is a Shiite Islamic run Middle East, plus Osama betrayed them more or less, blowing up Saudi properties and terrorizing their people. It seems Saudi Arabia now has no real desire to help the radicals but I could be wrong?

Also what would your solution be to kill radical islam once and for all?
 

Free_Assyria

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Born2Drv said:
Hookah, do you really think Saudi Arabia continues to support radical islam now? No doubt they once had their hands in this however I think the last thing they want is a Shiite Islamic run Middle East, plus Osama betrayed them more or less, blowing up Saudi properties and terrorizing their people. It seems Saudi Arabia now has no real desire to help the radicals but I could be wrong?

Also what would your solution be to kill radical islam once and for all?
In Saudi Arabia if you are caught with more then one copy of the bible you will be executed.  So much for a free democratic country.
 

ASHOOR

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Born, I have an easy solution to kill radical Islam (which I beleive, the US is already working on)

Let Shittes and Sunnies fight it out to death (using, yes you guessed it, Nukes)

See, Pakistan is the first Muslim state to own a nuclear bomb. Pakistan is Sunni-based state.

Iran on the other hand is the first Shitte-Muslim state to soon develop their own nukes. The anomosity between Shittes and Sunnies continues to get worse, thanks to what is going on in places like Iraq, Pakistan, India, Lebanon etc. Fuel it a little bit more, and these two factions will have no other option but to fight it out. ?It will be Shittes from Iran, Iraq and Pakistan vs. the rest of the Muslim world, and Nukes will be the first option.

I strongly beleive that this is the the plan that the West has in mind to get rid of both sides (the radical elements) and eventually end up with a good version of Islam, which won't have any stupid terrorist bombers.



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Free_Assyria

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that?s a great plan now I know why I am not a world leader!? :bangin:


They just sit back and whatch the fireworks with a bowl of pop corn.
 

Hookah

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Yes I do think they support it.  Just because bin laden turned on them, it doesn't mean they haven't made deals with a dozen others just like him.  Plus a segment of their government and royal family agree with bin laden.  As long as they have oil money coming in they can create distractions by funding trouble makers in other countries and pretend to care about it and be "outraged" by it.  Like the palestinian cause, other arabs don't give two sh*ts about the palestinians but whenever one of these jackasses gets in front of a video camera, all of a sudden his heart is bleeding for the palestinian people.


You can't kill a religion, you can't dictate to people how to interpert their inner most beliefs.  You know what the problem is?  It isn't that radical islam is taking over the world, its that people think there's a "solution" to it.  There is no solution.  If a muslim is dirt poor and has no future, he can turn to radical islam because it gives his some sense of pride that he's a part of something big.  Take a rich muslim who is bored with his life, and he can turn to radical islam because it gives his pampered life meaning and a sense of worth.  You can't "cure" muslims.  That's why its a war on terror, because you can stop people from committing terror, you can't stop people from believing in something.  If you could Mel Gibson would be sitting in a tel aviv jail cell right now.
 

ASHOOR

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Hookah, although you stated that too in your sentence, no one is calling for an end to Islam as a religion. That is impossible, and only God can do it. What we and millions want to see, is an end to radical derty Islam. An example is those who blow themselvs up in Shittes funerals, and kill people who were mourning the death of their son who was killed in another suicide bomber. You really want someone who has that kind of beleif to continue operating based on that idioitic beleif?

If Iraq is not a lesson for how derty radical Islam is, I don't know what is.



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ASHOOR

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Driv3r said:
The only way to stop Radical Islam is to stop world poverty. And that is impossible.
SURE, looks so from the surface, but upon further analysis, you will realize that thew average suidice bomber is of a good income, with a good education often. I am basing these facts about the Sep11 as well as the London train bombings.  Even those who are bombing themselvs in Iraq (may God increased them, minus any innocent casualties) are usually found to have university education. But, of course some of them are mercenaries and poor.

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Free_Assyria

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ASHOOR said:
Driv3r said:
The only way to stop Radical Islam is to stop world poverty. And that is impossible.
SURE, looks so from the surface, but upon further analysis, you will realize that thew average suidice bomber is of a good income, with a good education often. I am basing these facts about the Sep11 as well as the London train bombings.? Even those who are bombing themselvs in Iraq (may God increased them, minus any innocent casualties) are usually found to have university education. But, of course some of them are mercenaries and poor.

ASHOOR
Actually I am scratching the surface and looking further in depth. Suicide bombers never do it for themselves they do it for a cause and the cause is for their people.
And their people are in poverty.
 

Hookah

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Ashoor, I'm not saying suicide bombers shouldn't be stopped.  I'm saying "radical islam" is such a broad, vague term with varying degress of support and organization that it would be impossible to "go to war" against it.  I'm also saying that these radicals can operate because a large segment of the population of the people that live around them support what they're doing to a certain degree.  They may not strap a bomb to their chest and blow something up but they'll have a little smile on their face when they see on tv that a couple of jews may have died or that a shiite or sunni died.  I'm saying radical islam is in fact based on hate, like born and others stated.  However I think that if people didn't already have a certain amount of hatred in them to begin with, they wouldn't be turning to suicide bombing and other horrendous activities.
 

ASHOOR

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Nicely stated Hookah, and unfortunately, to defind 'Radical Islam' is not an easy task, although it should defeinetely include anyone wbho is willing to blow themselvs up...

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