Jones said:
Why MUST you "allow them all"? England was is steeped in Christian history, but it is slowly being erased by foreign religions and 'secularism'. Why should Muslims or any other religion have their religious rules implemented in Western society? Would we be able to go to Afghanistan or Israel and demand that the Bible to be taught in schools, or that there be prayer time set aside for Christian students? It's got nothing to do with progressionism or any other modernist mentality. It's about holding on to the foundations of a country (or countries if you're talking about US as well) that gave us morals and family values, a society with integrity, and decent and upstanding citizens.
No religion should be allowed to govern or seep into legislation, period. That doesn't infringe in any way on your right to be a Christian, it only keeps you from enforcing Christian "morality" onto others.
When we say "must", we mean you cannot pick and choose what religion you allow to have influence, unless you are prepared to no longer call your country a Democracy. If you accept that you will no longer be a democracy, then do as you please, and live in your autocracy/theocracy/dictatorship/or whatever it morphs into.
The "Christian" foundation of most countries brought them to their knees with corruption, racism, chauvenism, slavery, and other social ills until the people revolted. Only a foundation of secular democracies has been the most stable.
Malik Danno said:
Waleeta, what you are saying does make sense, but do you really believe that is what will happen?
Ask yourself this, Will the western world (laws, culture, secularism etc.) change its Muslim immigrants ... or will the Muslim immigrants change all things which are rooted in the Western world?
Also ask yourself this, How is it possible for Netherlands (one of the most liberal and free states in the world) take away some rights of Muslims? isnt that taking away from everything they believe in?
The "proposed" answer to that is that these Muslim immigrants are hindering the rights of many Dutch people eg. Gays, Prostitutes and other peoples who are not fit within Islam.
Also take the cases of the brutal killing of Theo van Gogh, the death threats within Netherlands itself against Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the fact that the members of the London Bus bombings were British born
Part of something that the West holds dear is Freedom of Speech ... that includes freedom to criticize a religion
Umm...no. A Muslim is free as a Christian is free - their freedom ends when they infringe upon the rights of another. So, a Muslim can pray five times a day, but they cannot oppress women or homosexuals. A Christian is free to pray, celebrate Christmas, etc., but he cannot stone a homosexual to death. A Jew is free to abstain from pork and stay indoors on the Sabbath, but he is not allowed to mandate banning pork or closing the country down on Saturdays.
What you are asking is "well, Muslims believe they have the right to kill a Christian, so how can we say no to that and not be infringing on their religious beliefs?" (not all Muslims believe this, even though it is written in the Koran).
I'll answer that the same way I answer this question: "A Christian believes homosexuality is a sin and they should be 'cured', outcast, killed, and now allowed the same rights as heterosexuals" (not all Christians believe this, even though it is written in the Bible).
You both get this answer: You are free to believe as you will, it is illegal for you to act on it. A State cannot control your beliefs, but it will control and punish your actions if necessary.
And to answer your initial question, yes. Eventually, they will assimilate.